yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) (05/06/91)
Dear Netters,
I know that the TT has a really high-res mode (more than a 1200 by
600? pixels), and I know that Atari is (or will be) selling a
monitor which takes advantage of it. My question is, is there
a reason why only Atari's monitor can be used with the TT high res,
and if so, is it available and how much does it cost? Also, i
don't know anything about video signals, so please translate
into simple terms, please!
I am looking real hard at getting a new machine, and the TT looks
real nice, and since I plan on doing DTP and CAD, I would really
like to have the high res. I was looking at PC stuff in Computer
shopper, and to be honest, I was amazed at how common
place and inexpensive are these new "Super VGA" 1024 X 768 X
256 colours monitors/video cards. You can get the card and
14" monitor for <$400. Plug that into a cheap clone, and you
have a nice system. It's very tempting, since the TT is a bit pricey.
It's just a bit disappointing that the best the TT has is roughly
the equivalent of normal VGA. One of the things that attracted me
to the ST back in '86 was the beautiful 640x400 mono, better
than anything that existed for the PC at the time (EGA).
Any answers are appreciated. I am leaving for the summer
tomorrow to go to my summer job, so I probably won't see
any responses for a few weeks, since I'll have to dial up
my purdue host long distance. Thanks in advance,
Jim
yegerleh@mn.ecn.purdue.edu
"Laufet Brueder, Eure Bahn,
Freudig wie ein Held zum Siegen!"
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In article <1991May6.010100.9329@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes: >Dear Netters, > >I know that the TT has a really high-res mode (more than a 1200 by >600? pixels), and I know that Atari is (or will be) selling a I read it was 1200x960. >monitor which takes advantage of it. My question is, is there >a reason why only Atari's monitor can be used with the TT high res, >and if so, is it available and how much does it cost? Along the same lines, does Atari sell a monitor that can take advantage of the 1200x960 monochrome and the 640x400 color mode? If there's no Atari monitor which does this, are there any multi-sync alternatives? >Jim >yegerleh@mn.ecn.purdue.edu > > "Laufet Brueder, Eure Bahn, > Freudig wie ein Held zum Siegen!" > - Friedrich v. Schiller > >-- >__ __ | | > \ / __ __ __ __ | __ |__ __ __ __ Jim Yegerlehner > \/ |--'| ||--'| ||--'| || ||--'| 1132 Hawkins Graduate House > | `-- `--|`-- | |`-- | || |`-- | W. Lafayette IN 47906 -- Roy Bixler rcb@netcom.com -or- (UUCP) uunet!apple!netcom!rcb "Just when you think you know it all, it changes!"
ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) (05/08/91)
In article <1991May6.015046.13617@netcom.COM> rcb@netcom.COM (Roy Bixler) writes: >In article <1991May6.010100.9329@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes: >>Dear Netters, >> >>I know that the TT has a really high-res mode (more than a 1200 by >>600? pixels), and I know that Atari is (or will be) selling a > >I read it was 1200x960. > [Picky mode on. :^) ] It's 1280x960. [Picky mode off.] >>monitor which takes advantage of it. My question is, is there >>a reason why only Atari's monitor can be used with the TT high res, >>and if so, is it available and how much does it cost? > >Along the same lines, does Atari sell a monitor that can take >advantage of the 1200x960 monochrome and the 640x400 color mode? If >there's no Atari monitor which does this, are there any multi-sync >alternatives? > Atari's TTM194 is the 1280x960 monitor. There are quite a few other vendors which use the exact same monitor, including case design. I saw a picture of a Sparc station, I think it was, with an 'Atari TTM194.' Atari also sells a multisync for the TT to handle all the other resolutions (5 of them, 3 ST and 2 TT). It's called the PTC-something-or-other. Several Atari developers, including Gadgets by Small and DoubleClick, use Panasonic C1381s with their TTs. -- ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261
apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) (05/09/91)
>In article <1991May6.010100.9329@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes: >>I know that the TT has a really high-res mode (more than a 1200 by >>600? pixels), and I know that Atari is (or will be) selling a rcb@netcom.COM (Roy Bixler) writes: >I read it was 1200x960. >Along the same lines, does Atari sell a monitor that can take >advantage of the 1200x960 monochrome and the 640x400 color mode? If >there's no Atari monitor which does this, are there any multi-sync >alternatives? Enough of this misinformation. TT high rez is 1280x960, an industry standard. This resolution requires a monitor along the lines of the Moniterm Viking. (I don't know if that particular model actually works, but you need something like it.) Atari either sells or is planning to sell such a monitor. I don't have any real information on our marketing plans in that direction: I just don't know. This type of monitor can't show any of the other TT or ST resolutions, and no Atari monitor which can show the other resolutions of the TT can show TT High. In that respect this is like the ST: ST REZ X,Y,COLORS MONITOR REQUIRED ST LOW 320,200,16 ST color monitor ST MED 640,200,4 ST color monitor ST HIGH 640,400,bw ST mono monitor TT REZ X,Y,COLORS MONITOR REQUIRED (all ST modes above) TT color monitor TT LOW 320,480,256 TT color monitor TT MED 640,480,16 TT color monitor TT HIGH 1280,960,bw high-rez monitor I am speaking only for monitors that Atari sells and uses. I guess there are monitors which you can hook up to ST's and see all the ST modes. There may be monitors that can show all six resolutions of the TT. I suspect such a monitor would be hellishly expensive -- moreso than the 1280x960 monitor, which is not cheap. Another note: ST HIGH on the TT is actually a color mode: you can choose any two colors, not just black and white. ============================================ Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) (05/09/91)
Now that the Atari-supported graphics situation on the TT has been clarified,
does anyone have anything to say about third-party graphics boards for the TT
(or perhaps Mega STe)? Anything actually shipping? Anyone at the stage of
"prototype working, artwork laid out"? Tell me (us) about the ST/TT world's
answer to 8514/a and XGS (did I remember the abbreviations right?).
Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.usapratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) (05/10/91)
ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) writes: [Atari's 1280x960 monitor is...] >Atari's TTM194 is the 1280x960 monitor. Thanks. I didn't know our model number for it. >Atari also sells a multisync for the TT to handle all the other resolutions >(5 of them, 3 ST and 2 TT). It's called the PTC-something-or-other. You don't really need multisynch. All of the color modes use the same timing. I believe the PTC is a little flexible, but the timings it will accept are not wide enough to be considered "multisynch." Something which is VGA-only is good enough, but for standard VGA the picture dimensions and dot pitch will be off: everything comes out tall and skinny. Atari's "near-VGA" differs from VGA in that the picture is wider and the pixels are nearly square in 320x200 (ST LOW), 640x400 (ST HIGH), and 640x480 (TT MED). ============================================ Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) (05/10/91)
In article <1991May09.165204.3132@chinet.chi.il.us> saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) writes: >Now that the Atari-supported graphics situation on the TT has been clarified, >does anyone have anything to say about third-party graphics boards for the TT >(or perhaps Mega STe)? Anything actually shipping? Anyone at the stage of >"prototype working, artwork laid out"? Tell me (us) about the ST/TT world's >answer to 8514/a and XGS (did I remember the abbreviations right?). ST Informer did a review of the stuff at the Cebit fair, and mentioned and showed pictures of the Matrix boards' output. There are three boards, each VME or Mega bus compatible. I don't have the specs on the boards with me, but one is 800x600 with 256 colors out of 16.7million. Another is a super-hi-res monochrome, and the final is the same super-hi-res but in 16 colors. They mentioned that Rio Computers in Las Vegas will be importing them. They also said that someone had a VGA-like board, with something like 1024x768 with 16 colors. Lexicor software is supposed to have their own board out soon. The ISAC board has been shipping for some time. I think it may only be Megabus compatible, but I'm not sure. You can find it for around $600. BTW, there used to be a Parsec 'board' which was actually a unit by itself. Anyone know whatever became of it? -- ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261
cmedley@wam.umd.edu (Charles Henry Medley) (05/10/91)
In article <1991May09.205931.27513@ecst.csuchico.edu> ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) writes: >In article <1991May09.165204.3132@chinet.chi.il.us> saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) writes: <stuff deleted> > >Lexicor software is supposed to have their own board out soon. The ISAC >board has been shipping for some time. I think it may only be Megabus >compatible, but I'm not sure. You can find it for around $600. BTW, >there used to be a Parsec 'board' which was actually a unit by itself. >Anyone know whatever became of it? > >-- > ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] > ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico > / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 I know Rio/Datel in Las Vegas was supposed to be importing it from England. I do know they were charging $1495 for the ParSec alone, which is a bit steep for a 1024x768x16 color display (granted it is TI34010 based and runs off any ST and has VRAM, expandability, SCSI ports, and RS432 (?) ports, etc... making it a computer in its own right, kind of like Video Toaster)
Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz (05/11/91)
In article <2933@atari.UUCP> apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes: > ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) writes: > [Atari's 1280x960 monitor is...] > >Atari's TTM194 is the 1280x960 monitor. > > You don't really need multisynch. All of the color modes use the same > timing. I believe the PTC is a little flexible, but the timings it will > accept are not wide enough to be considered "multisynch." Something which > is VGA-only is good enough, but for standard VGA the picture dimensions and > dot pitch will be off: everything comes out tall and skinny. Atari's > "near-VGA" differs from VGA in that the picture is wider and the pixels are > nearly square in 320x200 (ST LOW), 640x400 (ST HIGH), and 640x480 (TT MED). > ============================================ > Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. > reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt Are there no TV type scan modes like the ST/STE , the 320*200 and the 640*200 on the 'TT' ?. I ask this is because I here comments like, you only need a VGA monitor or you need a "multisynch". I can see the reason for not having a true "mutisynch", if the 'TT' has the one same scan rates as the ST's mono one,for all its colour modes, but if the 'TT' has support for the ST's 320*200 and 640*200, then I can see the need for a "multisynch" monitor, or should I be saying a two synch monitor ?. Your Help would be appreciated, may be you could give us details of the scan rates.. -- Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...
apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) (05/14/91)
Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes: > I can see the reason for not having a true "mutisynch", if >the 'TT' has the one same scan rates as the ST's mono one,for all its >colour modes, but if the 'TT' has support for the ST's 320*200 and 640*200, > then I can see the need for a "multisynch" monitor, or should I be >saying a two synch monitor ?. Listen carefully: >> You don't really need multisynch. All of the color modes use the same >> timing. All of the modes on the TT except 1280x960 use the same video timing. All of the modes on the TT except 1280x960 use the same video timing. They are different "resolutions" but they all pump video to the monitor using the same horizontal and vertical timings. The 200-line modes actually double the line data, so the monitor sees 400 lines. Because the monitor is actually 480 lines high, there are 40-line margins at the top and bottom. Thus, the monitor always sees 480 lines. The width of a pixel is immeterial to the monitor, as long as it isn't smaller than the electronics can handle: the 320-dot modes just have wider pixels than the 640-dot modes, but the timing is all the same. Is this finally clear? ============================================ Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
ritz@msb.com (Chris Mauritz) (05/14/91)
In article <1991May09.165204.3132@chinet.chi.il.us> saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) writes: >Now that the Atari-supported graphics situation on the TT has been clarified, >does anyone have anything to say about third-party graphics boards for the TT >(or perhaps Mega STe)? Anything actually shipping? Anyone at the stage of >"prototype working, artwork laid out"? Tell me (us) about the ST/TT world's >answer to 8514/a and XGS (did I remember the abbreviations right?). Hmmm, first time I've read in a while...If the TT has an "industry standard" NuBus slot, why not buy a NuBus compatible graphics board? Regards, Chris -- ------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- Chris Mauritz |People are strange ritz@msb.com |when you're a stranger. Copyright (C) 1991 |The Doors-
ritz@msb.com (Chris Mauritz) (05/14/91)
Oooooops, I should have said VME port on my last post. I guess I've been using my IIci a little too long. :-) Cheers, Chris -- ------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- Chris Mauritz |People are strange ritz@msb.com |when you're a stranger. Copyright (C) 1991 |The Doors-