apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) (01/24/87)
>> [reference to me shooting off my big mouth] > I assume this means Atari hard disks are now being shipped so that they will > boot up directly without having to load a driver from floppy - if so the > dealers around here (Vancouver) don't know about it (I went and talked to a > couple after seeing the above replay from Allan Pratt) > > - they also seem to > think the 40 folder limit has been solved by Atari. ??????? NO THE LIMIT HAS NOT BEEN FIXED. NO THE LIMIT HAS NOT BEEN FIXED. We are actively working on it: it is likely that something will come out of this department REAL SOON (not as far away as a rewrite of GEMDOS) which pushes the limit out of sight: you will be able to pick a number between 40 and 400 for your limit, with the understanding that you sacrifice about 1K of memory per ten folders you choose to allow. Alas, I spoke too soon about my "boot disk, etc.". Yes, at Atari we are all autobooting off the hard disk. In the real world (or at least the net), you people are not. There are long and involved explanations for this, but suffice it to say that we will soon (please don't ask when: I don't know, it's not set) release the installer for booting from your hard disk. Hard disk owners will have to take some proof of purchase (like their original SH204 boot disk) to a dealer, who will be able to give them a copy of the program and documentation. I am announcing this a little prematurely: DON'T BUG ATARI CUSTOMER RELATIONS OR YOUR DEALER ABOUT THIS. They don't know anything about it. I am telling you all this because I want to forestall the coming wave of hard-disk booting programs, which are almost guaranteed to be wrong (probably not the authors' faults). This includes the boot code coming from Atari Benelux: I haven't seen it, but if it comes from people who think they've fixed the 40-folder limit, they're wrong. /----------------------------------------------\ | Opinions expressed above do not necessarily | -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. | reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. | ...lll-lcc!atari!apratt \----------------------------------------------/
seran@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL (ERAN MEGIDO) (06/01/91)
Hi,
Please tell me if this is a good idea or are there better ones.
Recently I , in a very tired and uncarring state, put a program in my boot
drive c: of my hardisk. It was an ACC. When I rebooted the program caused
the computer to totaly crash. I am using desk manager so I was not too worried
and went into the ACC selection and unmarked this program. But it did not help.
The ACC still ran and still crashed the computer. After many hours of working
and trying to get rid of the program or around it in some way, I gave in to the
thought that I will have to reformat my hard drive. The next day I came up with
a simple, obvious idea which saved me. I only formatted drive c:. Then I put
in C: as a boot drive again and reloaded from my back-up which was almost fully
entact.
I avoided losing all 60 megs but I also came up with a diff idea. Why not
partion the HD so that drive c: is the smallest amount of memory possible.
make it a boot up drive and stick _only_ desk manager there. Then make a drive
d: or whatever that will contain all the prg's and acc's that desk manager acceses.
Then if ever I get a program which kills on booting I can just format drive c:
and only need to restore desk manager. It sounds good to me, perhaps I am
wrong. Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be appreciated.
Also, what is the procedure of putting dos on the hardisk for pcditto? And
is there also a way to do the same for aladin?
Thanks,
Eran..
(please answer to my email adress bellow if possible as I cannot read the list
often)
SERAN@VMS.HUJI.AC.ILpete@minster.york.ac.uk (06/02/91)
In article <1JUN91133124@vms.huji.ac.il> seran@vms.huji.ac.il writes: >Hi, > Please tell me if this is a good idea or are there better ones. >Recently I , in a very tired and uncarring state, put a program in my boot >drive c: of my hardisk. It was an ACC. When I rebooted the program caused >the computer to totaly crash. I am using desk manager so I was not too worried >and went into the ACC selection and unmarked this program. But it did not help. >The ACC still ran and still crashed the computer. After many hours of working >and trying to get rid of the program or around it in some way, I gave in to the >thought that I will have to reformat my hard drive. The next day I came up with >a simple, obvious idea which saved me. I only formatted drive c:. Then I put >in C: as a boot drive again and reloaded from my back-up which was almost fully >entact. > > I avoided losing all 60 megs but I also came up with a diff idea. Why not >partion the HD so that drive c: is the smallest amount of memory possible. >make it a boot up drive and stick _only_ desk manager there. Then make a drive >d: or whatever that will contain all the prg's and acc's that desk manager acceses. >Then if ever I get a program which kills on booting I can just format drive c: >and only need to restore desk manager. It sounds good to me, perhaps I am >wrong. Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be appreciated. > > Also, what is the procedure of putting dos on the hardisk for pcditto? And >is there also a way to do the same for aladin? > > Thanks, > Eran.. >(please answer to my email adress bellow if possible as I cannot read the list > often) > > SERAN@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL Every time I cock up my boot partition (and it happens frequently; I seem to attract cruddy software) I just do the obvious -- power the hard disk down, boot from floppy, switch the drive on when the machine's booted safely (I use a disk with no ACCs or AUTO programs for ``emergencies'' like this -- it contains AHDI, Gulam and Disk Doctor) and run AHDI (you may need ICDBOOT or whatever) from the desktop, use ``Install'' to put C: back on the desktop, delete whatever's causing me any problems from \ and \auto, then power up again. Everything works then. It works for me and is a lot less drastic than formatting... Pete Fenelon -- Dept. of Computer Science|INTERNET: pete@minster.york.ac.uk University of York |UUCP: {the world}!ukc!minster!pete York Y01 5DD ENGLAND |JANET: pete@uk.ac.york.minster Tel: +44 904 432714 |EMERGENCY:pete%minster.york.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) (06/03/91)
In article <1JUN91133124@vms.huji.ac.il> seran@vms.huji.ac.il writes: > Hi, > Please tell me if this is a good idea or are there better ones. > Recently I , in a very tired and uncarring state, put a program in my boot > drive c: of my hardisk. It was an ACC. When I rebooted the program caused > the computer to totaly crash. I am using desk manager so I was not too worried > and went into the ACC selection and unmarked this program. But it did not help. > The ACC still ran and still crashed the computer. After many hours of working > and trying to get rid of the program or around it in some way, I gave in to the > thought that I will have to reformat my hard drive. The next day I came up with > a simple, obvious idea which saved me. I only formatted drive c:. Then I put > in C: as a boot drive again and reloaded from my back-up which was almost fully > entact. > > I avoided losing all 60 megs but I also came up with a diff idea. Why not > partion the HD so that drive c: is the smallest amount of memory possible. > make it a boot up drive and stick _only_ desk manager there. Then make a drive > d: or whatever that will contain all the prg's and acc's that desk manager acceses. > Then if ever I get a program which kills on booting I can just format drive c: > and only need to restore desk manager. It sounds good to me, perhaps I am > wrong. Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be appreciated. > > Also, what is the procedure of putting dos on the hardisk for pcditto? And > is there also a way to do the same for aladin? > > Thanks, > Eran.. > (please answer to my email adress bellow if possible as I cannot read the list > often) > > SERAN@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL Was the ACC set for Read Only ?? this could be one of your Problems. Also it would have been very easy to Delete the ACC from the Directory with a sector editor..there is a good PD, but Mono one thats called Monomone. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! ***