bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard) (10/09/90)
Just thought I'd let you know that I received Neodesk 3 today (after ordering
it via fax on Friday!) from BRE Software (209-432-3072, there's a toll-free
number too). $41.95, $2 discount for faxing order (209-432-2599). Great
service, the manual is _extensive_, things look great so far. Seems to offer
the best features of Gemini without requiring GDOS or hogging so much
memory, and has some other great features as well, including one-key
program execution ala Hotwire.
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#######Opinions expressed are my own, though you'd be wise to adopt them!#######Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) (06/11/91)
I just ordered Neo Desk 3 today (cant recall the publisher) and am just looking to see if anyone has any opinions on it. It looks pretty good in the ad (which is why I ordered it:-), but I was looking for someone who has used it, and has any general observations on it. Ill be running this on a 520ST, and two DS 3.5" floppys, and a colour monitor (no hard drive, or RAM expansion. _yet_) Thanx Billy D'Augustine Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I see in the pinout. Thanx again
erkamp@arc.ab.ca (Bob Erkamp) (06/11/91)
In article <43160@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: > >I just ordered Neo Desk 3 today (cant recall the publisher) and am >just looking to see if anyone has any opinions on it. It looks pretty >good in the ad (which is why I ordered it:-), but I was looking for >someone who has used it, and has any general observations on it. > Well I've had Neodesk 3.0 for quite some time and I find it very useful. It has keyboard commands for all your normal pop down menus. It is very custsomizable and has other features to numerous to mention. I use it every day and find it hard to go back to the normal atari desktop. A happy customer. > >PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out >when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like >to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking >maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I >see in the pinout. > There is a autoboot program whose name escapes me at this time at atari.archive either COLOREMU or MOMOEMU (something like that). That does this quite well. I've only encountered a few mono programs that don't work with this emulator. The catch is the screen resolution is obviously not as good and the response of the mouse movement is also slower. Bob
boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) (06/12/91)
In article <43160@cup.portal.com>, Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: > >I just ordered Neo Desk 3 today (cant recall the publisher) and am >just looking to see if anyone has any opinions on it. It looks pretty >good in the ad (which is why I ordered it:-), but I was looking for >someone who has used it, and has any general observations on it. > >Ill be running this on a 520ST, and two DS 3.5" floppys, and a colour >monitor (no hard drive, or RAM expansion. _yet_) This is the best $50 you can spend if you have a hard disk. Without one, it's utility is somewhat weakened (easy fix, get a hard drive!!). The latest version is 3.02. If it turns out that you have 3.01 (which was the release version), the patch program to upgrade it is available from atari.archive. >PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out >when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like >to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking >maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I >see in the pinout. There are several mono-emulators that are PD. They do work most of the time, but the screen quality is bleeech. Get yourself a mono monitor. It is one of the best reasons to own an Atari ST!! I could not live without mine (I am thinking of buying an extra . .). You can obtain a used one through the net for about $80 (on a good day :-). -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
randyh@hpsad.HP.COM (Randy Hosler) (06/12/91)
/ hpsad:comp.sys.atari.st / erkamp@arc.ab.ca (Bob Erkamp) / 8:28 am Jun 11, 1991 / In article <43160@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: > >PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out >when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like >to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking >maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I >see in the pinout. > If you tie the mono-detect line to ground the ST thinks it has a mono monitor hooked up to it. The scan rate goes to 70Hz and all you see on the color monitor (actually I'm not sure about the color monitor, but on my TV) all I see is scrolling orange lines. In other words, it don't work that way. But, you may be able to hear the audio. :-) Randy Hosler
zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) (06/13/91)
In article <43160@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: > >I just ordered Neo Desk 3 today (cant recall the publisher) and am >just looking to see if anyone has any opinions on it. It looks pretty >good in the ad (which is why I ordered it:-), but I was looking for >someone who has used it, and has any general observations on it. > >Ill be running this on a 520ST, and two DS 3.5" floppys, and a colour >monitor (no hard drive, or RAM expansion. _yet_) I use NEODESK 3.0 on my Mega STe with 4 Megabytes and the desktop eats away a few hundred K. You should check this out first cuz maybe some programs won't work with only a couple of hundred K remaining (I can think of a few programs that won't even work with a 520). >PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out >when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like >to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking >maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I >see in the pinout. I dunno .......but...... Is there any way of using LO or MED res programs on a HI res monitor?? ferenc
mbaker@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Matthew Baker) (06/13/91)
From article <750118@hpsad.HP.COM>, by randyh@hpsad.HP.COM (Randy Hosler): > If you tie the mono-detect line to ground the ST thinks it has a mono > monitor hooked up to it. The scan rate goes to 70Hz and all you see on > the color monitor (actually I'm not sure about the color monitor, but on > my TV) all I see is scrolling orange lines. In other words, it don't > work that way. But, you may be able to hear the audio. :-) > > Randy Hosler The reason the ST polls the /MONO line 50/60/71 times a second is to avoid blowing the sh!t out of your color monitor. The horizontal osc cctry will try to lock to twice the normal horizontal scan freq... this oscillator is also used to generate the EHT in your system. If you're lucky, all that will happen is that the osc will freerun and make a bit of a squeal. However, if you aren't lucky... anything from the horiz. o/p transistor, the EHT coil, tripler, or even the tube (unlikely) may fail. These failures, involving _very_ (20+KV) high voltages can be messy, noisy, smelly, and _very_ expensive. Don't do it. Matthew
robin@castle.ed.ac.uk (R C Smith) (06/14/91)
In article <750118@hpsad.HP.COM> randyh@hpsad.HP.COM (Randy Hosler) writes: >/ hpsad:comp.sys.atari.st / erkamp@arc.ab.ca (Bob Erkamp) / 8:28 am Jun 11, 1991 / >In article <43160@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: >> >>PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out >>when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like >>to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking >>maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I >>see in the pinout. >> > >If you tie the mono-detect line to ground the ST thinks it has a mono >monitor hooked up to it. The scan rate goes to 70Hz and all you see on >the color monitor (actually I'm not sure about the color monitor, but on >my TV) all I see is scrolling orange lines. In other words, it don't >work that way. But, you may be able to hear the audio. :-) When I asked this question ~2 years ago I got the reply of DONT DO THIS the higher frequency will burn out the coils...Needless to say I didn't try this. Robin