limsico@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Carl Limsico) (06/10/91)
This question has probably already been asked several times, but here it goes: Does anyone know of any type of X-Window emulation/server/host for the ST? Please either e-mail or post replies! Carl limsico@ocf.berkeley.edu
perstoro@netmbx.UUCP (Wilhelm Schaefer) (06/10/91)
limsico@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Carl Limsico) writes: > This question has probably already been asked several times, but >here it goes: Does anyone know of any type of X-Window >emulation/server/host for the ST? Please either e-mail or post >replies! There is! I have seen it on the c-bit this year. It was a st with x-win connected to a unix-tt. But it was not working too good. :-( As far as I seen it.... On the other hand there is a programm called UW (unix windows). I think it was designed for the mac first, but it has been ported to the st by someone. After typing *UW* in the first window the host starts Unix-Windows and from now on you can use, I think about 6, windows. So I am able to work at different suns at the same time...... Thats fun :-) (So my st could "have" 100 MIP's ore more... ) so long -- --- good old perstoro --- --
boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) (06/10/91)
In article <2392@netmbx.UUCP>, perstoro@netmbx.UUCP (Wilhelm Schaefer) writes: >limsico@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Carl Limsico) writes: > > >> This question has probably already been asked several times, but >>here it goes: Does anyone know of any type of X-Window >>emulation/server/host for the ST? Please either e-mail or post >>replies! > >On the other hand there is a programm called UW (unix windows). >I think it was designed for the mac first, but it has been >ported to the st by someone. > Unix Windows is not related to X in any way (other than coincidental appearance). It is a great program, which allows one to have muliplexed terminals over one serial line (the terminals are in the form of windows). You can set font sizes, cut and paste, file transfer, etc. It consists of an ST end and a Unix end (which must be compiled for your particular system). I have found that it works great, but is a bit pokey at 2400 (I am waiting for my 9600, zooom). Basically, it acts as a regular terminal program (you dial up, get one terminal window). At that point, you run the unix end (from the initial terminal window). After a few magical packets get transfered back and forth, you can now open more windows, each served by their own login shell. There are at least two versions of the UW package for the ST (I have two). One is more fancy, but less tolerant of accs and tsrs (the port appears european in origin). The other (this one is on atari.archive) has fewer bells and whistles, but is solid (on my system at least). As for an X server on the ST line, I don't envision it happening any time soon. With Ethernet cards so scarce, and 9600 baud modems still in the $500 range there is not a very high demand for one. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have one (and if you find out about one, I will be happy to eat my words). You could probably direct-connect the serial port and run it at 19.2 using a SLIP connection. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
likos@clinet.fi (Johannis Likos) (06/11/91)
limsico@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Carl Limsico) Writes: > This Question Has Probably Already Been Asked Several Times, But >Here It Goes: Does Anyone Know Of Any Type Of X-Window >Emulation/Server/Host For The St? Please Either E-Mail Or Post >Replies! >Carl >Limsico@Ocf.Berkeley.Edu X-Window-Server for ATARI ST/TT Two german companies developed an X-Window-server for the MC680X0-based ATARIs. The one which I tested from the company X/software has been sold to ATARI Deutschland GmbH. It was very slow on the Mega ST, which was connected through Ethernet to a Workstation-Network. It worked (except few crashes) even with loadable X-fonts. But for professional use not recommended, maybe on TT I could get better results, but at that time was neither a TT nor a VME-network-card available. This X-Window-Server is offered now (last CeBIT'91) by the german ATARI subsidiary. (incl. Mega-bus/VME-bus network interface)... The other solution is offered by the company BioData GmbH, the manufacturer of BioNet (I think the most reliable network system in ST/TT environment). To this X-Window-Server I cannot give any statement, because I never got the chance to test it. From hardware side I can recommend BioNet, because it is one of the few products, which allows network connectivity to other ST/TT, PC, Mac and Unix (incl. FTP, Telnet, etc.). BioNet is an external network interface with Ethernet (thick/thin) and DMA (in/out) used by many german professionals companies. likos@clinet.fi
s883334@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (James Alan Hall) (06/13/91)
From article <1991Jun10.124327.12647@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, by boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd): > In article <2392@netmbx.UUCP>, perstoro@netmbx.UUCP (Wilhelm Schaefer) writes: >>limsico@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Carl Limsico) writes: >> >> >>> This question has probably already been asked several times, but >>>here it goes: Does anyone know of any type of X-Window >>>emulation/server/host for the ST? Please either e-mail or post >>>replies! >> >>On the other hand there is a programm called UW (unix windows). >>I think it was designed for the mac first, but it has been >>ported to the st by someone. >> > > Unix Windows is not related to X in any way (other than coincidental > appearance). It is a great program, which allows one to have muliplexed > terminals over one serial line (the terminals are in the form of windows). > You can set font sizes, cut and paste, file transfer, etc. It consists of > an ST end and a Unix end (which must be compiled for your particular system). > [ additional comments deleted ] Unix Windows is very good. Just one important facet you forgot to mention: its needs BSD flavoured unix to run. Those like myself with SysV will have to wait till someone rewrites the whole package for it. > As for an X server on the ST line, I don't envision it happening any time > soon. With Ethernet cards so scarce, and 9600 baud modems still in the > $500 range there is not a very high demand for one. Don't get me wrong, I > would love to have one (and if you find out about one, I will be happy to > eat my words). You could probably direct-connect the serial port and run > it at 19.2 using a SLIP connection. There is at least one X server package for the St. Its made by a German company, and sold with their ethernet adaptor. I can't find my documentation on it at the moment, but as soon as I do I'll post details about it (unless someone else does it for me). > -- > ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear > FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down > Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." > email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | > ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- -- ______ ______ | | \ / \/\/\/\ James Hall / Mithrandir Man | | \ / \/\/\/\ s883334@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au Know |______| \/ \/\/\/\ mith@arda.pub.uu.oz.au Thyself
ki@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Karsten Isakovic) (06/13/91)
In article <1991Jun10.190828.23016@clinet.fi> likos@clinet.fi (Johannis Likos) writes: >The other solution is offered by the company BioData GmbH, >the manufacturer of BioNet (I think the most reliable >network system in ST/TT environment). >To this X-Window-Server I cannot give any statement, because >I never got the chance to test it. >From hardware side I can recommend BioNet, because it is one >of the few products, which allows network connectivity to >other ST/TT, PC, Mac and Unix (incl. FTP, Telnet, etc.). >BioNet is an external network interface with Ethernet (thick/thin) >and DMA (in/out) used by many german professionals companies. > >likos@clinet.fi Hello Johannis, i attended the CeBIT 91 as manufacturer of OverScan and we were at the same booth as Biodata. Since i work a lot with X-windows in the university, i and the one from biodata installed the x-driver. First we installed it on a normal MEGA ST. The x-driver was an DA that run in the background. If you select the DA, you see a second screen with the X-interface. Since the ST could not initially start/run any clients, you had to start an xterm client via a normal terminal-program on the ST-screen. After a switch to the X-screen the xterm appeared and one could start other clients like the motif window maniger on the host maschine. To get back to the ST-screen one had to type a shift/alt/control key combination. The X-Load and other things continued to work on the X-screen, update was done in the AES- multitasking, i think. The performance of the MEGA was not very good, little slower than a sun 3/50. On the next days we installed X-windows on the Atari TT and the performance was better. The programmer was also at the CeBIT 91 and he said that this was a non optimised version and the real version will be a lot faster. The TT-Bigscreen is already supported, but our overscan-modification was not yet supported. I talked to the programmer and so i think the overscan modification will be supported in future... Greetings, Karsten
scott@cs.odu.edu (Scott D. Yelich) (06/16/91)
> Unix Windows is not related to X in any way (other than coincidental > appearance). It is a great program, which allows one to have muliplexed > terminals over one serial line (the terminals are in the form of windows). > You can set font sizes, cut and paste, file transfer, etc. It consists > of an ST end and a Unix end (which must be compiled for your particular > system). Unix windows uses kermit protocol and it has hosed every download I have tried. Now I know the authors wouldn't release it if it didn't work, so I must be doing something wrong. Also, I can't seem to get Chamelian, Maxidisk, Cpanel++ and The_Accessory to work with each other. 1) Maxi seems to kill one of them. 2) Chamel won't load Cpanel or The_Acc 3) either maxidisk or quikst or something (tos 1.4?) is making my publisher not do the "rulers" correctly, the hair-lines don't show up. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DUMP TOS TO A DISK TO USE WITH QUIKTOS? HELLO, IS ANYONE OUT THERE? Scott
bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) (06/18/91)
In article <1991Jun13.034044.27746@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> s883334@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (James Alan Hall) writes: > Unix Windows is very good. Just one important facet you forgot to mention: > its needs BSD flavoured unix to run. Those like myself with SysV will have > to wait till someone rewrites the whole package for it. > nope, ptys for sysv and other such braindead variants of unix :-) has been posted atleast a half dozen time to comp.sources.*. using those it should be trivial to bring up uw on the unix end. -- -- bang: uunet!cadence!bammi jwahar r. bammi domain: bammi@cadence.com GEnie: J.Bammi CIS: 71515,155