[comp.sys.atari.st] This week's program

uace0@menudo.uh.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) (06/22/91)

Many people have inquired as to where they can get our program's of the week...

We have posted _all_ of them to comp.binaries, but alas, they have not gone
thru.  We have decided to post them here, since we can apparently pump out
the programs faster than the moderator can review them...

If this is a bad idea, flame me, and we'll stop, but we've received _many_
requests, and frankly, we don't know what the scoop is on comp.binaries...

This week's program will copy a file that has a bad sector(s) somewhere in the
file.  This archive includes docs and the program.

100% assembly. ST, STe and TT compatible.

- mike vederman / double click software

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ue@nathan.ruhr.de (Udo Erdelhoff) (06/24/91)

In <1991Jun22.003927.19972@menudo.uh.edu>, ATARI Computer Enthusiasts writes:

>We have posted _all_ of them to comp.binaries, but alas, they have not gone
>thru.  We have decided to post them here, since we can apparently pump out
>the programs faster than the moderator can review them...
I don't know what's wrong in the staates, but all your programs in comp.bin
were recieved here in Germany..
/s/

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warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) (06/24/91)

>This week's program will copy a file that has a bad sector(s) somewhere in the
>file.  This archive includes docs and the program.

Sounds useful.




>100% assembly


	^ Oh.  In that case, I will not use it.

Why does an IO program need to use assembly?

I think the most required attribute for an IO program would be:

	Correctness (ie. Stuff-up-my-files-and-I'll-kill-you)


While the least required attribute would be:

	Efficiency


Since the program will spend 99% of it's time waiting for the disk anyway.
Using the assembly instruction

	move.IO   #"A:file","B:file"

which, as you know, copies two files in one clock cycle, then waits for
the disk to catch up, would only speed up the process by 1%.


Don't get me wrong, I use assembly a lot.  But only for speed critical routines
that have obvious correctness (eg. Sprite works / Sprite doesn't work).

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bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) (06/25/91)

In article <1991Jun22.003927.19972@menudo.uh.edu> uace0@menudo.uh.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) writes:

> Many people have inquired as to where they can get our program's of the week...
> 
> 100% assembly. ST, STe and TT compatible.
> 

Actually, what would be infinitely more useful (to me anyways) would
be a short technical description of all the neat tricks you guys come
up with, how you did it etc, and maybe the source.
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klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) (06/25/91)

In article <1991Jun22.003927.19972@menudo.uh.edu>, uace0@menudo.uh.edu
(ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) writes:
|> If this is a bad idea, flame me...

Done hereby.

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paulm@dorjam.UUCP (Owner and User) (06/25/91)

In article <2087@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:
> >This week's program will copy a file that has a bad sector(s) somewhere in the
> 
> >100% assembly
> 
> 
> 	^ Oh.  In that case, I will not use it.

  By all means,   PLEASE DON'T!  :^)

  I guess I just don't understand that line of thinking......


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uace0@menudo.uh.edu (Michael B. Vederman) (06/25/91)

In article <BAMMI.91Jun24122520@acae127.cadence.com> bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes:
>
>Actually, what would be infinitely more useful (to me anyways) would
>be a short technical description of all the neat tricks you guys come
>up with, how you did it etc, and maybe the source.
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We've been asked that before...  We will perhaps release source code for some
of the stuff, but we really aren't sure about it.

As for neat tricks, some of it is voodoo programming, and I'm sure Atari will
appreciate if we don't go spreading voodoo programming techniques.  Altho, you
can always ask us when you are intrigued.

>bang:   uunet!cadence!bammi			jwahar r. bammi
>domain: bammi@cadence.com
>GEnie:	J.Bammi
>CIS:    71515,155

- mike


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mwjester@wsuiar.wsu.ukans.edu (loki) (06/26/91)

In article <BAMMI.91Jun24122520@acae127.cadence.com>,
	bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes:
> [...]
> Actually, what would be infinitely more useful (to me anyways) would
> be a short technical description of all the neat tricks you guys come
> up with, how you did it etc, and maybe the source.
> --

Hear, hear!  Have you considered writing a book on system programming on the
ST?  If you ever do, put me down for a copy.

Max

mwjester@wsuiar.wsu.ukans.edu
mwjester@twsuvax

warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) (06/27/91)

>> >This week's program will copy a file that has a bad sector(s) somewhere in the
>> 
>> >100% assembly
>> 
>> 	^ Oh.  In that case, I will not use it.

>  By all means,   PLEASE DON'T!  :^)

>  I guess I just don't understand that line of thinking......

Don't get me wrong - there is nothing wrong with assembly - I use it often - but
I just don't think it is the "language-of-choice" for writing I/O programs in.
Too scary for me.  I don't care if a game crashes and deletes the high-score
file.  Sure, it's a bummer, but it IS `just a game'.

Then again, I guess if you can't trust a DC program, what CAN you trust!  TOS? :-!

Warwick.


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uace0@menudo.uh.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) (06/29/91)

Here is a synopsis of this week's Program of the Week.  We've sent it to
atari.archive.umich.edu (ftp-able) and also to comp.binaries.atari.st
(who knows...).

DC GTP (GEM Takes Parameters) allows you to enter a commandline (or use the
file selector to choose a file parameter) for a GEM program.  This is similar
to the NewDesk (MSTE and TT) new program type .GTP extension.
 
100% assembly.  ST, STe and TT compatible.  Program of the week.

This program was mentioned during a discussion in st.tech, and we listened
very closely!  Here ya go!  (NEXT!)

- mike vederman / Double Click Software

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