vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) (01/01/70)
In article <1059@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) writes: >hope you don't care how I spell it. I know that I have confused >our 8-bit "Kernal" with our Amiga "Kernel" on occasion. I worked *Your* 8-bit "Kernal" ? I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think* that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community. Is that it? Marnix -- Marnix A. van\ Ammers Work: (415) 545-8334 Home: (707) 644-9781 CEO: MAVANAMMERS:UNIX {ihnp4|ptsfa}!pttesac!vanam CIS: 70027,70
vanam@pttesac.UUCP (11/22/86)
In article <1074@zen.BERKELEY.EDU> c55-grig@buddy.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Ted Griggs) writes: >[] > >Does the procedure and example program given in the ROM Kernal Manual >actually work? Hey, I'm getting tired of this misspelling all the time ^^^^^^. It's spelled just like the popcorn colonels. Or is that Kolonels? Or Colennels? Kurunals? Kernel?
grr@cbmvax.UUCP (11/24/86)
In article <336@pttesac.UUCP> vanam@pttesac.UUCP (-Root Admin-) writes: >In article <1074@zen.BERKELEY.EDU> c55-grig@buddy.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Ted Griggs) writes: >>Does the procedure and example program given in the ROM Kernal Manual >>actually work? > >Hey, I'm getting tired of this misspelling all the time ^^^^^^. >It's spelled just like the popcorn colonels. Or is that Kolonels? >Or Colennels? Kurunals? Kernel? You might as well get used to it. In the 8-bit Commodore world, local usage has always had it spelled kernal. Given that a reasonable number of Amiga users are coming from this environment, there is precious little chance of stamping out this colloquialism. -- George Robbins - now working for, uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)
rcd@ico.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (12/01/86)
| >>Does the procedure and example program given in the ROM Kernal Manual | >Hey, I'm getting tired of this misspelling all the time ^^^^^^. | You might as well get used to it. In the 8-bit Commodore world, local usage | has always had it spelled kernal. Given that a reasonable number of Amiga | users are coming from this environment, there is precious little chance of | stamping out this colloquialism. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey, I could get tired of that misspelling REAL fast. The form "colloquialism" is not an accepted alternate spelling of "error". It's bad enough to have spelling flames kicking around without having someone DEFEND the fact that people don't know how to spell and refuse to learn even the words that are basic to their work. -- Dick Dunn {hao,nbires,cbosgd}!ico!rcd (303)449-2870 ...Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip it's been.
carolyn@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) (12/06/86)
In article <182@ico.UUCP> rcd@ico.UUCP (Dick Dunn) writes: (RE: "Kernal" VS "Kernel") > >It's bad enough to have spelling flames kicking around without having >someone DEFEND the fact that people don't know how to spell and refuse to >learn even the words that are basic to their work. Here's my 2 cents. Correct spelling is crucial in programs. But I don't care how you spell "Kernel" in a mail message. And I hope you don't care how I spell it. I know that I have confused our 8-bit "Kernal" with our Amiga "Kernel" on occasion. I worked with the "Kernal" for so many years that "Kernel" just doesn't look right. In fact, both spellings are starting to look strange. I guess I've been looking at them too long. I'll start looking at some other word --- like BltMaskBitMapRastPort. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CBM >>Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,caip,ihnp4,seismo}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
grr@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (George Robbins) (12/10/86)
In article <347@pttesac.UUCP> vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) writes: > >I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think* >that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in >some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since >become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community. > >Is that it? > You got it - I don't know if the mispelling was intentional or accidental, but it is pretty firmly imbedded in the C-64 world... -- George Robbins - now working for, uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)
carolyn@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) (12/10/86)
In article <347@pttesac.UUCP> vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) writes: >In article <1059@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) writes: >>hope you don't care how I spell it. I know that I have confused >>our 8-bit "Kernal" with our Amiga "Kernel" on occasion. I worked > >*Your* 8-bit "Kernal" ? > >I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think* >that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in >some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since >become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community. > >Is that it? Funny. I always thought it was the other way around. We have some sort of trademark on "Kernal". -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CBM >>Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,caip,ihnp4,seismo}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
daveh@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Dave Haynie) (12/10/86)
> > *Your* 8-bit "Kernal" ? > > I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think* > that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in > some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since > become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community. > > Is that it? > > Marnix Actually, I believe the spelling of the word in relation to 8-bit CBM computers has been around since the first PET 2001 machines, the jump table in the C64 is virtually the same thing as in those early PETs. Its certainly true that the word, either "kernel" or "kernal", was far from an everyday word back in 1977 or so. Maybe it was a misspelling or just to be different. Or maybe it was an effort to create a uniquely "computerese" word to serve that purpose; maybe "kernel" was just a little too corny :-). -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Haynie {caip,ihnp4,allegra,seismo}!cbmvax!daveh "Laws to supress tend to strengthen what they would prohibit. This is the fine point on which all the legal professions of history have based their job security." -Bene Gesserit Coda These opinions are my own, though for a small fee they may be yours too. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
billd@crash.UUCP (Bill D'Camp) (12/11/86)
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I don't know about the association of "kernal" with Commodore, someone
said it went back to 1977, but the Unix "kernel" has been spelled that
way since at least 1975, probably longer, but I can't remember.
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ARPA: crash!pnet01!billd@noscwagner@utcs.UUCP (12/12/86)
In article <1088@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) writes: >In article <347@pttesac.UUCP> vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) writes: >> >>*Your* 8-bit "Kernal" ? >> >>I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think* >>that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in >>some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since >>become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community. >> >>Is that it? > > Funny. I always thought it was the other way around. We have some >sort of trademark on "Kernal". >-- Oh, Carolyn! Usually, I'm impressed by your contributions, but today I'm surprised at you. Kernel is a standard Operating System term. It's a standard in every computer science reference book on the subject. Do you really think that Commodore originally spelled it right and every one else mis-spelled it? Michael
andy@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Andy Finkel) (12/12/86)
In article <1986Dec11.182104.5903@utcs.uucp> wagner@utcs.UUCP (Michael Wagner) writes: >In article <1088@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) writes: >>In article <347@pttesac.UUCP> vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) writes: >>>*Your* 8-bit "Kernal" ? >>sort of trademark on "Kernal". >Oh, Carolyn! Usually, I'm impressed by your contributions, but today I'm >surprised at you. Kernel is a standard Operating System term. It's a standard >in every computer science reference book on the subject. Do you really think >that Commodore originally spelled it right and every one else mis-spelled it? > >Michael Let me try to bring the discussion to a close (since I was there at the time). Kernel is indeed a standard OS term. KERNAL was/is Commodore's name for our 8 bit Operating System. The mispelling was invented by Bob Russell on his first written description of the Kernal, then was spread through an unsuspecting company by me, among others. The mispelling was intentional, you couldn't expect to call your operating system the kernel, right ? (we may even have a trademark on Kernal, thanks to our lawyer way back then.) Anyway, what's done is done, now you know, so perhaps we can talk about other things ? I know...let's discuss the misuse of the term AmigaDos to describe the entire Amiga OS. That should be interesting, yea, that's the ticket. We'll talk about that. andy finkel -- andy finkel Commodore/Amiga {ihnp4|seismo|allegra}!cbmvax!andy or pyramid!amiga!andy Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors. "Never make anything simple and efficient when it can be complex and wonderful."
carolyn@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) (12/12/86)
In article <1986Dec11.182104.5903@utcs.uucp> wagner@utcs.UUCP (Michael Wagner) writes: >>-- >Oh, Carolyn! Usually, I'm impressed by your contributions, but today I'm >surprised at you. Kernel is a standard Operating System term. It's a standard >in every computer science reference book on the subject. Do you really think >that Commodore originally spelled it right and every one else mis-spelled it? Don't be ridiculous. Whether Commodore's initial misspelling "Kernal" was a mistake or intentional, it is the name that Commodore used for the core OS routines in every subsequent machine until the Amiga. If the Amiga "Kernel" and docs had been written in West Chester, it probably would have been called "Kernal". -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CBM >>Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,caip,ihnp4,seismo}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
sean@ukma.ms.uky.csnet (Sean Casey) (12/14/86)
In article <1108@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) writes: >(we may even have a trademark on Kernal, thanks to our lawyer way back then.) I've heard the term "kernal" used long before the Amiga or even the Mac hit the drawing boards. I may (probably) even be able to find proof of this that would stand up in court. Don't count your chickens. Sean -- =========================================================================== Sean Casey UUCP: cbosgd!ukma!sean CSNET: sean@ms.uky.csnet ARPA: ukma!sean@anl-mcs.arpa BITNET: sean@UKMA.BITNET
vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) (12/14/86)
In article <5322@ukma.ms.uky.csnet> sean@ukma.ms.uky.csnet (Sean Casey) writes: >In article <1108@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) writes: >>(we may even have a trademark on Kernal, thanks to our lawyer way back then.) > >I've heard the term "kernal" used long before the Amiga or even the Mac >hit the drawing boards. I may (probably) even be able to find proof of >this that would stand up in court. Don't count your chickens. Well, at least we've ascertained that "kernal" has to do with the C-64, not with the Amiga. So what's the proper term for the Amiga's kernel? I think "colonal" would kind of cute. No? Then how about "kurnel"? I wonder if anyone has got a trademark on "recieve" ... Did I pass the 50%-rule water mark yet? No? Ah, just for the hell of it, what *is* the definition of "kernel" as applied to operating systems. Does it include all the system calls, just a subset, or what? Maybe the kernel is that part of the operating system which may never be swapped out. -- Marnix (ain't unix!) A. van\ Ammers Work: (415) 545-8334 Home: (707) 644-9781 CEO: MAVANAMMERS:UNIX UUCP: {ihnp4|ptsfa}!pttesac!vanam CIS: 70027,70
jec@iuvax.indiana.EDU (12/16/86)
The Kernel is pretty much the system call interface down to the device interface.
shap@sfsup.UUCP (12/31/86)
The term kernel goes back at least as far as the first versions of UN*X, which is quite some time. I doubt that it is trademarked. It has been in common usage too long.