dave@uwmcsd1.UUCP (Dave Rasmussen) (01/01/87)
Has anyone heard anything about the amiga 2500, or the one that (is rumored)
to have both xorro and pc expandability in it?
Last I heard was we might hear something about a bigger and a smaller unit
than the amiga 1000, in the new year. What the heck, I figured I'd get my
2 cents inquiree in by 'next year'.
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In article <1595@uwmcsd1.UUCP> dave@uwmcsd1.UUCP (Dave Rasmussen) writes: > >Has anyone heard anything about the amiga 2500, or the one that (is rumored) >to have both xorro and pc expandability in it? > >Last I heard was we might hear something about a bigger and a smaller unit >than the amiga 1000, in the new year. What the heck, I figured I'd get my >2 cents inquiree in by 'next year'. > I wasn't going to say anything, but since someone else brought it up, this is what I got from Plink: Rumor: The Amiga 2500 will be shown at the CES this month. Due out in summer. Some type of PC compat. New custom chips that use upto 2 megs instead of 512k Card Slots Big Rumor: CBM will offer upgrade to A1000 owners for ~$800. Believe it or not!!! -Ripley -Jack Palance -Marie Osmond -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Isn't fun the best thing to have?" lachac@topaz.rutgers.edu
phillip@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Phillip Lindsay) (01/07/87)
> > > Big Rumor: > CBM will offer upgrade to A1000 owners for ~$800. > > > > Believe it or not!!! > -Ripley > -Jack Palance > -Marie Osmond > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Isn't fun the best thing to have?" > > lachac@topaz.rutgers.edu Next you'll tell me IBM is offering XT owners a $500 AT upgrade...:-] ============================================================================== Phillip Lindsay - Commodore Business Machines - Amiga Technical Support UUCP: {ihnp4|seismo|caip}!cbmvax!phillip - Phone: (215) 431-9180 No warranty is implied or otherwise given in the form of suggestion or example. Any opinions found here are of my making. /* eof */
jec@iuvax.indiana.EDU (01/07/87)
I sure hope the upgrade is true. I swore that the Amiga was the last non-MMU machine I would ever buy and I can consider the upgrade as an upgrade rather than buying another machine.
news@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Usenet netnews) (01/10/87)
Organization : California Institute of Technology Keywords: From: tim@tomcat.Caltech.Edu (Tim Kay) Path: tomcat!tim phillip@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Phillip Lindsay) writes: >> Big Rumor: >> CBM will offer upgrade to A1000 owners for ~$800. >Next you'll tell me IBM is offering XT owners a $500 AT upgrade...:-] Well, not from IBM, but you can buy the Breakthru 286 from PCSG for $395, and your PC will run just slightly faster than an 8Mhz AT. So why is the $800 upgrade to the Amiga unreasonable? Timothy L. Kay tim@csvax.caltech.edu Department of Computer Science Caltech, 256-80 Pasadena, CA 91125
bjorn@alberta.UUCP (01/10/87)
In article <118300005@iuvax>, jec@iuvax.indiana.EDU writes: > > I sure hope the upgrade is true. I swore that the Amiga was the last > non-MMU machine I would ever buy and I can consider the upgrade as an upgrade > rather than buying another machine. You're in luck. Now I dislike the *86 architecture as much as the next guy, but one of the good things I can say about the '386 is that: There's no way anybody can design a machine using it without a paging MMU. Yeah!! And in the wings are: MC68030 - MMU on chip (Double bingo) This will be the first time Motorola delivers an MMU not much later than the processor [Correct me if I'm wrong]. NS32532 - MMU on chip (Triple bravo) But then the NS32k familiy has always had well integrated MMUs. I've had my stomach turned reading interviews with PC designers. They go something like this: Q: Why is there no MMU? A: We would have liked to have been able to put in an MMU, but, well you see when we design a machine like this we have to carefully consider even the smallest resistor ... to keep costs down ... 'cause everything shows up in the retail price ... an MMU just costs to much & takes to much board space & power ... a wait state ... Then these same guys turn right around and fill the box with so many gee-whiz gizmo sound chips, joy-stick ports, that I'm surprised the thing can't toast bread and scramble eggs. Yes, I know, it sells machines in the store to unsuspecting consumers, the bread and butter (or toast and scrambled eggs) of PC makers. (GIGANTIC SIGH!!) I'm holier than thou by accident of birth, Bjorn R. Bjornsson alberta!bjorn
grr@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (George Robbins) (01/11/87)
In article <118300005@iuvax> jec@iuvax.indiana.EDU writes: > > I sure hope the upgrade is true. I swore that the Amiga was the last >non-MMU machine I would ever buy and I can consider the upgrade as an upgrade >rather than buying another machine. I don't know who came up with this one, but it isn't likely to be true. There are no free lunches, and who do you expect to pay the real costs of such an upgrade? [ this is only my own personal opinion, and does not represent any offical Commodore position or policy...] -- George Robbins - now working for, uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)
hamilton@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (01/11/87)
tim kay (news@cit-vax) says: > phillip@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Phillip Lindsay) writes: > > >> Big Rumor: > >> CBM will offer upgrade to A1000 owners for ~$800. > > >Next you'll tell me IBM is offering XT owners a $500 AT upgrade...:-] > > Well, not from IBM, but you can buy the Breakthru 286 from PCSG for > $395, and your PC will run just slightly faster than an 8Mhz AT. So > why is the $800 upgrade to the Amiga unreasonable? an 80286 doesn't turn an XT into an AT. a souped-up XT286, maybe, but not an AT. you'd need a new motherboard and case, at a minimum. to me, it ain't an AT unless it has 24 address lines, 16 data lines, 15 interrupts, 7 DMA channels, real time clock, etc., and it can accept AT form-factor expansion cards. wayne hamilton U of Il and US Army Corps of Engineers CERL UUCP: {ihnp4,pur-ee,convex}!uiucdcs!uiucuxc!hamilton ARPA: hamilton%uiucuxc@a.cs.uiuc.edu USMail: Box 476, Urbana, IL 61801 CSNET: hamilton%uiucuxc@uiuc.csnet Phone: (217)333-8703 CIS: [73047,544] PLink: w hamilton
acs@amdahl.UUCP (Tony Sumrall) (01/14/87)
What I *really* wanna know:
Will there be an upgrade option that costs less than buying a whole new
machine? I'd pay $800 if the cost of a new machine was $1000 but I don't
think I'd wanna pay $1200 if a new one was $1000. (I'm not suggesting
that these costs are anywhere near correct, they're just examples.)
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[ Opinions expressed herein are the author's and should not be construed
to reflect the views of Amdahl Corp. ]markp@valid.UUCP (Mark P.) (01/23/87)
> And in the wings are: > > MC68030 - MMU on chip (Double bingo) > This will be the first time > Motorola delivers an MMU not > much later than the processor > [Correct me if I'm wrong]. That isn't necessarily true, depending on how you define "deliver." It's still completely possible to produce a chip with a functional CPU and dis- functional MMU that works as long as you keep the MMU in "don't-translate" mode. Considering the performance benefit of the faster bus and twin caches of the 68030 (assuming that THEY work), the chip would still be tremendously useful without an MMU. Just an idle thought... Mark Papamarcos hplabs!{ridge,pesnta}!valid!markp