mwm@violet.berkeley.edu.UUCP (04/12/87)
Since several people have asked for it, I've made it available. You can find a copy (shared & uuencoded) in pub/amiga on ucbvax. Use anonymous ftp. I've also mailed a copy to amiga-binaries-request. Deluge them with request to have it pushed forward in the queue if you want a copy. Note: this is true PD software; no copyright notices, no shareware notices. Also no support. If the ASDG RRD did what I wanted, I'd stay with it, as I'd have someone to shout at if it broke. In this case, you can shout at Katin, but he has no obligation to fix it. <mike -- Here's a song about absolutely nothing. Mike Meyer It's not about me, not about anyone else, ucbvax!mwm Not about love, not about being young. mwm@berkeley.edu Not about anything else, either. mwm@ucbjade.BITNET
andy@cbmvax.UUCP (04/13/87)
In article <3137@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> mwm@violet.berkeley.edu(Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer) writes: > >Note: this is true PD software; no copyright notices, no shareware >notices. Also no support. If the ASDG RRD did what I wanted, I'd stay >with it, as I'd have someone to shout at if it broke. In this case, >you can shout at Katin, but he has no obligation to fix it. > > <mike The last time I spoke with Neil, the vdk is *not* shareware or public domain. Instead, it is a commercial product, soon available (with support) through an Amiga software house. The copies that are floating around are various Beta test copies, with the ownership information removed. I'm sure Neil would appreciate it if the program were not passed around. andy finkel -- andy finkel {ihnp4|seismo|allegra}!cbmvax!andy Commodore/Amiga /or/ pyramid!amiga!andy } "Do not meddle with the affairs of wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to light." Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
mwm@eris.UUCP (04/14/87)
In article <1665@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) writes: >The last time I spoke with Neil, the vdk is *not* shareware or public >domain. Instead, it is a commercial product, soon available (with >support) through an Amiga software house. The copies that are floating >around are various Beta test copies, with the ownership information removed. The vdk.doc file clearly labels it as a beta copy, and has Neil's name (and a phone number) not far away. If there was a copyright notice attached, someone (somewhere) broke the law by removing it. If it's going to be released as a commercial, supported product, I hope that the competitions pricing ($10, if you feel obligated) is kept in mind. A copy has already gone to comp.amiga.binares. You'll have to talk to them to prevent further distribution. Better yet, have Neil do it. <mike -- Here's a song about absolutely nothing. Mike Meyer It's not about me, not about anyone else, ucbvax!mwm Not about love, not about being young. mwm@berkeley.edu Not about anything else, either. mwm@ucbjade.BITNET
andy@cbmvax.UUCP (04/14/87)
In article <3160@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> mwm@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer) writes: >In article <1665@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) writes: >The vdk.doc file clearly labels it as a beta copy, and has Neil's name >(and a phone number) not far away. If there was a copyright notice >attached, someone (somewhere) broke the law by removing it. > The copy I have also has the following: Copyright (c) 1987, Neil Katin All rights reserved. on the disk label. It's also within the handler (type it opt h to see it) >If it's going to be released as a commercial, supported product, I >hope that the competitions pricing ($10, if you feel obligated) is >kept in mind. You get what you pay for. (Only kidding, Perry!) Seriously, market forces (like a shareware rrd being available) will set prices. > >A copy has already gone to comp.amiga.binares. You'll have to talk to >them to prevent further distribution. Well, comp.amiga.binaries ? I hope you read this newsgroup, as mail bounces. I hope everyone has enough class to not distribute copyrighted software. (BTW, Nowadays, there must be an explicit statement putting something in the public domain. It is still protected even if there is no statement, just no damages can be collected. I think. Since there is a notice, however, damages could be collected. ) > >Better yet, have Neil do it. Neil isn't currently on the net, actually, which is why I'm doing it. > > <mike Summary: Neil's a good guy, and its a shame if people post his software. It isn't public domain or shareware, so it should not be distributed. andy finkel -- andy finkel {ihnp4|seismo|allegra}!cbmvax!andy Commodore/Amiga /or/ pyramid!amiga!andy } "Do not meddle with the affairs of wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to light." Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
page@ulowell.cs.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) (04/16/87)
andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) wrote in article <1679@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP>:
>It isn't public domain or shareware, so it should not be distributed.
It has been available for almost a month on People/Link. I doubt that
anyone knew Neil didn't want it distributed -- the Amiga community seems
better than most about not stealing software.
I suggest people put any restriction notices in the documentation -
unfortunately copying a disk with a copyright notice on the label
doesn't mean the label gets copied. Also, even I am guilty of not
using TYPE OPT H on a file to see if it has a copyright notice
imbedded within. Indeed, if it's that hidden, what purpose does
it serve in protecting against accidental copying?
If Neil's original disks had a distribution restriction on them, it
should be fairly easy to find out how one slipped out to the public.
Lastly, a copyright notice does not restrict redistribution per se.
It does restrict it from sleazebags selling it as their own work.
..Bob
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Bob Page, U of Lowell CS Dept. page@ulowell.{uucp,edu,csnet}