papa@uscacsc.UUCP (06/10/87)
I just run VTTest with Diga! VTTest is a program from Per Linberg of the
University of Stokholm in Sweden (sorry if I misspelled anything) that was
sent out over a year ago on USENET and that tests almost ALL of the VT100
features (VT52 and VT102 also). These are the results (and the bad news for
Aegis):
1. Fails the cursor control test in one spot on the bottom right corner in
both 80 and 132 character mode.
2. Fails control characters inside escape sequences.
3. Fails the Wrap Around test (this breaks EVERYTHING!).
4. Fail the black on white, white on black test. Allows only white on black.
5. Does Bold in Red (funny since the Amiga does bold quite nicely).
6. Does not have the graphics font in either 80 or 132 char mode.
The lack of graphics fonts makes it unusable with VAX VMS-based
editors (EDT, TPU, EVE). For example, boxes and diamonds are not there.
7. It does not have the Alternate ROM font. Basically it has 2 fonts:
a font for 80 char/line and a font for 128/132 char/line. That's it.
8. Prints garbage on the screen when double height or double width characters
are requested. Most other VT100 emulators will just print the character
at normal size, but without garbage.
9. Prints garbage when the LED escapes are sent.
10. Does not work in VT52 mode.
11. PF1-PF4 are not automatically active with the correct sequence. That is,
you must get a VT100 manual, check the escapes and associate them with
function keys. Most other programs use F1-F4 on the Amiga to emulate
PF1-PF4. Not everybody has a VT100 manual handy!
12. The "," on the VT100 keypad is not emulated. Again you must do the job by
yourself as in 11.
13. Fails the Set/Reset of Newline Mode (another big bug).
14. Fails Report Terminal Status.
15. Fails Cursor Position Report (this is pretty bad, too).
16. Fails Terminal Parameter Report.
17. Does not support VT102 escapes for delete lines, delete chars, insert
lines, insert chars.
18. Fails Reset command.
I did not try to test whether it supports the "real VT100 bugs" that are
present in a VT100 from DEC, since it has got no chance given the above
results. You might notice that, besides other commercial comm programs,
Dave Wecker's VT100 pd emulator properly handles almost all of the above.
It looks that the widely advertised "custom" emulator of Diga! just does
not work.
-- Marco
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In article <218@uscacsc.UUCP> papa@uscacsc.UUCP (Marco Papa) writes: >I just run VTTest with Diga! VTTest is a program from Per Linberg of the >University of Stokholm in Sweden (sorry if I misspelled anything) that was >sent out over a year ago on USENET and that tests almost ALL of the VT100 >features (VT52 and VT102 also). These are the results (and the bad news for >Aegis): > [ stuff deleted ] > >I did not try to test whether it supports the "real VT100 bugs" that are >present in a VT100 from DEC, since it has got no chance given the above >results. You might notice that, besides other commercial comm programs, >Dave Wecker's VT100 pd emulator properly handles almost all of the above. > Ahem. And what about..... A-Talk? And A-Talk Plus? Did you run this test suite over those? How did it measure up? I mean, be fair.... -------- Satirical 'inews' defeater paragraph ahead. -------- The paragraph you are reading now is now streaming by your face and wasting net bandwidth at a rate so large as to be incalculable. The reason this paragraph is causing so much disturbance in the Net, and the universe at large, is because of what I'm sure will go down in history as "The Inews Bug." That is, the 'feature' some screwball incorporated into 'inews' to prevent massive 301-line articles going out, 300 of those lines included, and the last one saying, "*REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE*" Unfortunately, this appears to be an artifact of 'notesfiles' (I think), and not of 'rn' (at least, not our version), so the effort was wasted. Thus, I am 'forced' to waste your time and disk space. Foo. (-: :-) _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape ihnp4!ptsfa -\ \_ -_ Bike shrunk by popular demand, dual ---> !{well,unicom}!ewhac O----^o But it's still the only way to fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor
cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (06/15/87)
In article <218@uscacsc.UUCP> papa@uscacsc.UUCP (Marco Papa) writes: >I just run VTTest with Diga! ... He then goes on to list several errors, some of which *do not* appear in my copy. To Marco and others, are you running the *RELEASE* version of Diga! or one of the many pirated copies of the *BETA* version? I did just recently get my copy but I don't think their are more than the two versions out there ... --Chuck McManis uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.
papa@uscacsc.UUCP (Marco Papa) (06/16/87)
Yep, I got my copy DIRECTLY from Aegis in Los Angeles, and paid the discounted
price since I also own Aegis Draw. According to Aegis there is only ONE
released version around, and that is the one that I have. I have not been
a beta tester for Aegis and the only betas I have seen are the ones they used
at the Commodore Show in LA about a month ago. Did you run the same VTTest
that I run, or are you saying that when you run vi (with the correct autowrap)
it seems OK. Have you tried EDT on VMS? Or even just Gosling emacs with
a bunch of scroll-up, scroll-down and newpage (^V) with two or more windows?
I have.
-- Marco
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in article <21091@sun.uucp>, cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) says: > > In article <218@uscacsc.UUCP> papa@uscacsc.UUCP (Marco Papa) writes: >>I just run VTTest with Diga! ... > > He then goes on to list several errors, some of which *do not* appear ^^^^ Does this mean that some of the bugs DO appear in your copy of Diga? > in my copy. To Marco and others, are you running the *RELEASE* version > of Diga! or one of the many pirated copies of the *BETA* version? I > did just recently get my copy but I don't think their are more than > the two versions out there ... > --Chuck McManis If your Diga is bug free, then there ARE two versions of it out there. I bought mine as soon as Abel Supply had it in stock, and I'm very dissapointed at all the bugs in it. Diga is very promising, but my copy of it acts like a very poor beta. Loading the ANSI emulation as part of a config file from the phone book will lock up Diga. The VT100 emulator is very poor, but at least it doesn't lock up the program. If I paid good money, and was sent a beta, then I'm really steamed. The program does claim to be version 1.0 though. This is the first Aegis program that I've bought, and it sure doesn't live up to the reputation of their other stuff. I hope they plan to have a reasonable (FREE) upgrade policy for the bug fixes. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland UUCP Address: {ihnp4,decvax}!decwrl!esunix!blgardne Alternate: {ihnp4,seismo}!utah-cs!utah-gr!uplherc!esunix!blgardne
richard@pnet02.UUCP (06/20/87)
Goodness, DIGA is taking a lot of flak isn't it ?
How is the TEK emulation in DIGA ?
I'm working on a TEK 4125 emulator for Apollo's, and have *lots* of files full
of tektronix commands that test same. Anybody want some of these to test DIGA
?.
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