[comp.sys.amiga] Sidecar vs Bridge

ali@rocky.UUCP (09/03/87)

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Here's an interesting query, from a friend... If you wish to send him 
email, try sending to r.racer@othello.stanford.edu or, if that fails, to
me (and I'll forward). Or you can post...
Ali Ozer, ali@rocky.stanford.edu
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From: ARTHUR WALKER <R.RACER@OTHELLO.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Sidecar and Bridge 

Anybody know whether the programmer's models for the Sidecar 
and the Bridge Card are identical? Do they look the same to 
the 8088? to the 68000?  In other words, could I 
use a sidecar to write lots of connectivity software for the 
2000/bridge configuration and have object code compatibility?  I expect that
what has come from commodore doesn't stretch the capabilities for transfer
through the video ram.  We should already be hearing about using the 8088
as a server for all sorts of resources not now accessible to amigites for
lack of hardware.  If this is what I want to do, should I buy a sidecar 
tomorrow or should I wait, wait, wait.........for a 2000?  I think that 
buying a clone and emulating the dual port ram via serial port and interrupts
in software might be too slow and obscure the power of the Bridge.

Art

andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) (09/03/87)

In article <548@rocky.STANFORD.EDU> ali@rocky.stanford.edu (Ali Ozer) writes:
>Anybody know whether the programmer's models for the Sidecar 
>and the Bridge Card are identical? 

As this gets asked a lot, I'll post the answer...except for the sense
of the busy bit on the PC parallel port they do indeed present the
same programming model.  In fact, we use the same software to
drive both the Sidecar and the Bridge board.  (aside from the 
LPT1 program)

As an I/O adapter for an Amiga, the PC may have its finest hour :-)

		andy finkel

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hyberts@ethz.UUCP (Sven Hyberts) (09/08/87)

In article <2294@cbmvax.UUCP> andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) writes:
>.......
>As an I/O adapter for an Amiga, the PC may have its finest hour :-)
>
>		andy finkel
>
>-- 
>andy finkel		{ihnp4|seismo|allegra}!cbmvax!andy 
>Commodore-Amiga, Inc.

That's exactly want I want to do: use an analog/digital converter board
on the PC side of an A2000 to collect data and transfer them to the
Amiga side. 
Does anybody now where I can find the programming manual for the Bridge
card?

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Rudolf Baumann					hyberts@ethz.uucp
Institute for molecular biology & biopysics	MOLEKULA@CZHETH5A.BITNET
ETH Hoenggerberg
CH-8093 Zuerich/Switzerland

grr@cbmvax.UUCP (09/13/87)

In article <548@rocky.STANFORD.EDU> ali@rocky.stanford.edu (Ali Ozer) writes:
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> From: ARTHUR WALKER <R.RACER@OTHELLO.STANFORD.EDU>
> Subject: Sidecar and Bridge 
> 
> Anybody know whether the programmer's models for the Sidecar 
> and the Bridge Card are identical? Do they look the same to 
> the 8088? to the 68000?  In other words, could I 
> use a sidecar to write lots of connectivity software for the 
> 2000/bridge configuration and have object code compatibility? 

The programming model is the same, the sidecar and bridgecard are different
implementations of the same basic logic.

> 							I expect that
> what has come from commodore doesn't stretch the capabilities for transfer
> through the video ram.

The applications software provided probably doesn't, however there is
"Janus" library provided that can provide the basis for more sophisticated
applications and interactions.  I'm not sure whether this library is fully
documented in the A2000 user's guide that comes with the machine, however
I know the documentation is in the A500/A2000 Technical Reference manual
available from the CATS people.

> We should already be hearing about using the 8088
> as a server for all sorts of resources not now accessible to amigites for
> lack of hardware.  If this is what I want to do, should I buy a sidecar 
> tomorrow or should I wait, wait, wait.........for a 2000?  I think that 
> buying a clone and emulating the dual port ram via serial port and interrupts
> in software might be too slow and obscure the power of the Bridge.

You shouldn't have to wait long for the A2000, now that they are finally
shipping...

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