rick@oresoft.UUCP (Rick Lahrson) (10/20/87)
All this talk about the Intuition pointer, SetPointer, ClearPointer, reminds me that I don't recall ever seeing any documentation about the little snoring cloud that shows up in place of the arrow/whatever when the system is "busy". Some questions: What constitutes "busy"? Who determines it? What causes the pointer to change? What does it really mean, anyway? Is that image changeable/settable? (It doesn't show up in preferences, like the regular pointer image.) If so, how? Is it invokable from an application? If so, how? Anybody know anything about this gizmo? -- Rick Lahrson ...tektronix!oresoft!rick Disclaimer: If I ever speak for anyone but me, I'll warn you in advance.
bryan@mothra.cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer) (10/21/87)
In article <85@oresoft.UUCP> rick@oresoft.UUCP (Rick Lahrson) writes: =-All this talk about the Intuition pointer, SetPointer, ClearPointer, =-reminds me that I don't recall ever seeing any documentation about =-the little snoring cloud that shows up in place of the arrow/whatever =-when the system is "busy". =- =-Some questions: =- =- What constitutes "busy"? Who determines it? What causes =- the pointer to change? What does it really mean, anyway? I believe that the cloud image is 'owned' by Workbench. It swaps this in for the regular sprite zero pointer image whenever it is busy doing something, like loading icons (yaaaawwwwnn), or starting up info, diskcopy, or any double- clicked icon. However, something out there is also watching for mouseclicks while wb is busy, because clicking in another window (i.e. not the wb backdrop window) sets the pointer back to the fat arrow, and re-clicking in the wb window brings back the cloud. This works even when wb hangs for some reason, so there might be a task that keeps track of the ready/busy state of wb, and sets the pointer accordingly. =- =- Is that image changeable/settable? (It doesn't show up in =- preferences, like the regular pointer image.) If so, how? Well, I don't know of a 'legal' way of getting to wherever the cloud image is, but, if you have your heart set on personalizing your cloud, I suppose you could grab the sprite 0 image data at the appropriate moment (I seem to remember a 'dumpsprite' program(?)), search the wb code for that pattern, and then zap a new image into place. I've always wanted to try this, since the damn cloud gets on my nerves. When I ask wb to do something, I want it to tell me that it's busy complying, not taking a nap. =- =-Rick Lahrson ...tektronix!oresoft!rick Thought for the day: If you think writing concurrent programs is tough, try GRADING them 8^[ ______________________________________________________________________________ /_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| _No dark sarcasm in the classroom|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|___ |____Teachers leave the kids alone__|_____|_____|bryan@ratliff.cs.utexas.edu__| ___|_____|_____|_____|___{ihnp4,seismo,...}!ut-sally!mothra.cs.utexas.edu!bryan |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|____: uunting
ali@rocky.STANFORD.EDU (Ali Ozer) (10/21/87)
[] In article <85@oresoft.UUCP> rick@oresoft.UUCP (Rick Lahrson) writes: > ... I don't recall ever seeing any documentation about >the little snoring cloud that shows up in place of the arrow/whatever >when the system is "busy". > What constitutes "busy"? Who determines it? The Amiga is never "busy," because of multitasking. You can always pack in that extra process, provided you have the memory. The "Zzz" image is used by individual applications to indicate that they are busy. The Workbench uses it whenever it does some lengthy (disk) operation. But, it doesn't mean you have to sit back and get bored --- For instance, if you open a CLI window, then go back to Workbench and do something that causes a "Zzz" to appear, clicking on the CLI window should bring back the normal arrow image, indicating that CLI isn't busy, just Workbench is. (Of course, if you do something in the CLI that causes disk access to the same disk Workbench is sweating over, then you might cause some (or a lot of) trashing... But that's another story.) I don't remember having seen references to the "Zzz" icon either, and judging from the small number of programs that actually do make use of it (Workbench, DPaint II,... any others?) I think maybe it's not in the system (and people have to cook their own up). But I might be wrong. Ali Ozer, ali@rocky.stanford.edu
eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (10/21/87)
How about making the "busy/sleepy" icon part of preferences for the
next release? Can it be done without breaking anything? (People who
go into a running workbench to find it don't count here)...
Eric
ARPA: Lavitsky@RED.RUTGERS.EDU
UUCP: ...{wherever!}ulysses!eric
...{wherever!}rutgers!topaz!eric
SNAIL: 34 Maplehurst La., Piscataway, NJ 08854klm@munsell.UUCP (Kevin (with the fiberglass reinforced left foot) McBride) (10/22/87)
In article <3111@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com> eric@hector (Eric Lavitsky) writes: >How about making the "busy/sleepy" icon part of preferences for the >next release? Can it be done without breaking anything? (People who >go into a running workbench to find it don't count here)... > >Eric What? You're afraid to patch a running program? Sissy. :-) We used to do it on our big IBM 370 *all* the time and it only crashed once in a while. Well, ok, most of the time. But, it was still a lot of fun! Disclaimer: :-) :-) :-) -- Kevin McBride, the guy in the cast // | Your mind is totally controlled Raquetball - the only way to // | It has been stuffed into my mold ruin your ski season :-( \\ // Amiga | And you will do as you are told {encore,adelie}!munsell!klm \\// Rules! | until the rights to you are sold
page@ulowell.UUCP (10/22/87)
bryan@mothra.cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer) wrote: >I believe that the cloud image is 'owned' by Workbench... >I don't know of a 'legal' way of getting to wherever the cloud image is I think the Programmer's Suite, Book 1, has some functionality to play with the wait pointer. Available from CBM. ..Bob -- Bob Page, U of Lowell CS Dept. page@ulowell.{uucp,edu,csnet}
carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) (10/24/87)
In article <1883@ulowell.cs.ulowell.edu> page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: >bryan@mothra.cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer) wrote: >>I believe that the cloud image is 'owned' by Workbench... >>I don't know of a 'legal' way of getting to wherever the cloud image is > >I think the Programmer's Suite, Book 1, has some functionality to >play with the wait pointer. Available from CBM. RJ's Programmer's Suite includes code and image data for putting up your OWN WaitPointers within your own applications. It does not muck with the private WaitPointer image belonging to Workbench. And it should be available thru Fred Fish and possibly Amicus soon (as soon as I get the final version and ship it to them). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CATS >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
john13@garfield.UUCP (John Russell) (10/24/87)
-- I have a program kicking around somewhere (I didn't write it) that replaces the Z cloud with a little square that says "BUSY" in it. I'll try to track it down, check if there is source with it, and post it if there is any further interest. It's called "NoZZZ". John -- To preserve deniability, I have not informed the University of this posting. But if I had, they would have been 100% behind it, yessirree bob. This posting has statements that are evasive, misleading, and just plain wrong. But that is only because I love the UseNet with all my heart!
peter@dalcsug.UUCP (10/25/87)
In article <2593@cbmvax.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) writes: > RJ's Programmer's Suite includes code and image data for putting up ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have never heard of this before, is it something new or another name for what we already have? What else does it include? >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Carolyn Scheppner -- CATS >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< > UUCP ...{allegra,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax!carolyn > PHONE 215-431-9180 >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Peter Philip
randy@bcsaic.UUCP (Randy Groves) (10/27/87)
In article <2593@cbmvax.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) writes: > > RJ's Programmer's Suite includes code and image data for putting up > > And it should be available thru Fred Fish and possibly Amicus soon >(as soon as I get the final version and ship it to them). > Well, well - it is going to make it out of the 'Black Hole' 8^)> We'd heard rumors about it when RJ was up Seattle way a few months back. Hope it's sooner than later. And a belated (and continuing) thanks for CATS presence on the net!! From the guy with the 'NICE beard!' ... -- -randy groves - Boeing Advanced Technology Center UUCP: ..!uw-beaver!uw-june!bcsaic!randy USNail: Boeing Computer Services CSNET: randy@boeing.com PO Box 24346 M/S 7L-68 VOICE: (206)865-3424 Seattle, WA 98124