craig@unicus.UUCP (11/04/87)
> Incidentally, I was in a Federated here in Houston today. They have a big > new Atari display, and the salesman confidently informed me that the Amiga > 2000 had been discontinued. He was quite certain. Now that I've set him > straight I wonder if he'll stop telling people that...or not. All Atari salesmen are liars. It's in the job description. NOT ONCE have I heard facts from them about anything. This new business about the Mac isn't lies, but its very misleading, and means nothing. Comparing absurd things like screen size - phffft. (from Michael Warren, about Atari's coin-op division) > hard facts on that. I know the other is true - I tried to get a job > there last year but was deemed overqualified :-( Probably because you had an education. This is NOT an attempt to start another flame war. If I wanted that, I'd have cross-posted and put on me asbestos suit. It's just that I've heard this shit about Atari and their professional liars far too many times. I honestly believe that Commodore should start gathering stories about this and launch a lawsuit. A big one, preferably for the retail price of every Atari ST ever sold. Against Federated, Atari, the salesmen themselves. Its so widespread as to be almost a genuine conspiracy. It could be construed as slander, false advertising (or counter-advertising) or whatever an imaginative lawyer can dream up. All you need is a jury where everybody had been lied to by a salesman at least once in their lives. Don't laugh. Much dumber stuff has got through. And it might stop this business of lying to novice users about their wonderful new computers, which every major computer company has been guilty of. (including Commodore, when Tramiel was president - remember C64 CP/M?) The next time I talk to an Atari salesman, I think I'll be wired for sound. Craig Hubley, Unicus Corporation, Toronto, Ont. craig@Unicus.COM (Internet) {uunet!mnetor, utzoo!utcsri}!unicus!craig (dumb uucp) mnetor!unicus!craig@uunet.uu.net (dumb arpa)
farren@gethen.UUCP (Michael J. Farren) (11/09/87)
In article <1498@unicus.UUCP> craig@unicus.UUCP (Craig D. Hubley) writes: >(from Michael Warren, about Atari's coin-op division) [actually from me, Michael FARREN] >> I know the other is true - I tried to get a job >> there last year but was deemed overqualified :-( > >Probably because you had an education. Please. I was specifically talking about Atari Games, the company that makes the coin-op games, with NO connection to Atari Inc., the company that makes the ST et al. The reason I was overqualified is, simply, because, for what they had in mind, I WAS. I felt that the position they were trying to fill could use a much more senior person than they did; they felt that they only needed a less experienced, and therefore less expensive, person. I can't fault them for that; the frowny face was simply disappointment on my part. Atari Games seems to have good folk working for them, and produce good product. The fact that they've licensed their games for Amiga versions (to either Mindscape or Microillusions, I forget) proves that they have more sense than the folk at Atari, Inc. I want Joust, damnit! -- ---------------- Michael J. Farren "... if the church put in half the time on covetousness unisoft!gethen!farren that it does on lust, this would be a better world ..." gethen!farren@lll-winken.arpa Garrison Keillor, "Lake Wobegon Days"
ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) (11/10/87)
In article <1498@unicus.UUCP> craig@unicus.UUCP (Craig D. Hubley) writes: >And it might stop this business >of lying to novice users about their wonderful new computers, >which every major computer company has been guilty of. >(including Commodore, when Tramiel was president - remember C64 CP/M?) > Hey. I've got the CP/M cartridge with software for the C-64, and it works great. It's slower than death by old age, but it works.... _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape ihnp4!ptsfa -\ \_ -_ Recumbent Bikes: dual ---> !{well,unicom}!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor
daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (11/12/87)
in article <4417@well.UUCP>, ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) says: > In article <1498@unicus.UUCP> craig@unicus.UUCP (Craig D. Hubley) writes: >>And it might stop this business of lying to novice users about their >> wonderful new computers, which every major computer company has been guilty >> of. (including Commodore, when Tramiel was president - remember C64 CP/M?) > Hey. I've got the CP/M cartridge with software for the C-64, and it > works great. It's slower than death by old age, but it works.... C64 CP/M was a white lie, or a partial truth. It did work, but it only worked reliably with REV 5 VIC II chips. Not all that long after the CP/M cartridge was introduced, the REV 7 chip started shipping, and timing on it had changed enough to kill the CP/M cartridge in most systems. And Leo exaggerates. It was FAR slower than he implied. -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga Usenet: {ihnp4|caip|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh "The B2000 Guy" PLINK : D-DAVE H BIX : hazy "Computers are what happen when you give up sleeping" - Iggy the Cat