kim@amdahl.UUCP (11/20/87)
[ Lineeaters ... just say NO! ] Pete Jordan posted the following on our internal Amiga conference. Kinda interesting, if you wanna run some Mac programs ... /kim > Mac emulation on Amigas & Sam Tramiel > > I just called Data Pacific in Denver (303-733-8158). They did confirm > that the Mac emulator for the Amiga (magic sac or whatever) will be > coming out as a real product 1st quarter of 1988. I don't know about > you but I find that very exciting. The Amiga will have the best of > three worlds (Amiga, IBM, & MAC). Spread the news on all bulletin > boards. > > I've heard that Commodore is interested in the product > but *cannot* help at all because of potential lawsuits with Apple and > who wants that. > > I listened to Sam Tramiel of Atari on the Computer Show (Nov 17). > He did a pretty good job except one comment that really bothered me: > He said that he considers the Amiga a good color machine but *not* a > business machine because it doesn't offer 640 X 400 monochrome mode!! > That was very upsetting to me since I have been running my Amiga 500 > in 640 x 400 interlace mode with a medium persistence monitor for > quite awhile now with business packages such as WordPerfect, LosistiK, > Draw Plus, Workbench, Online!, etc. So I take offense to Sam's > erroneous statement. In other words, with a high persistence monitor > or a multi scan monitor with a deinterlacer, the Amiga makes an > *excellent* business machine. In fact I think its the best *technical* > price performance machine on the market. But then I'm pretty biased. > Other than that, Sam put on a good show for his ST line with a little > tidbit about their powerful new transputer as well. > > I'm hoping that within a month or so Commodore will be a guest on the > Computer Show and put on an extremely powerful Amiga display to dazzle > everyone with super games to powerful business stuff, and maybe > some exciting hardware announcements as well. Their current > ad campaign and push for expanding Amiga outlets is promising. Don't > stop now. -- UUCP: kim@amdahl.amdahl.com or: {sun,decwrl,hplabs,pyramid,ihnp4,uunet,oliveb,cbosgd,ames}!amdahl!kim DDD: 408-746-8462 USPS: Amdahl Corp. M/S 249, 1250 E. Arques Av, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 CIS: 76535,25
bryce@hoser.berkeley.edu (Bryce Nesbitt) (11/21/87)
In article <18477@> (Kim DeVaughn) relays Pete Jordan, who typed: > >> I listened to Sam Tramiel of Atari on the Computer Show (Nov 17). >> He did a pretty good job except one comment that really bothered me: >> He said that he considers the Amiga a good color machine but *not* a >> business machine because it doesn't offer 640 X 400 monochrome mode!! In all practicality he is correct. Try and go to an Amiga dealer and purchase a LP monochrome monitor. Of the Bay Area dealers I talked to most had never heard you could do such a thing, and the rest had heard that it was possible, but could not sell me a monitor. Sam Tramiel's presentation started out weak, but ended quite strong. The 640*400 mode comment was at least doubled in effectiveness by the Commodore "I am the Amiga" commercial that was cut to a few seconds later. I believe the wording used by Sam was on the lines of "The Amiga is an excellent machine, but at this time we see it as a color only machine. It does not have the high resolution (640*400) mode of a more business oriented machine like the Mega.". I'm mentioned it before, but perhaps it bears repeating. Now would be an excellent time for C= to take the lead and either produce a simple, very low cost LP monochrome monitor (640*400) or recommend in a mailing to dealers a source for them. Salesmen making lame excuses about why ProWrite flickers is *not* the way to sell computers. The 1000*800 monitor is great, but at lot of people could be satisfied with a cheaper 640*400. [Ideally the monitor would have a cheap speaker and be externally adjustable for overscan at 704*464. I don't know about anyone else, but *I* am addicted to morerows. Thanks jimm, dale and anyone else who conspired to release that gem! ] |\ /| . Ack! (NAK, SOH, EOT) {o O} . bryce@hoser.berkeley.EDU -or- ucbvax!hoser!bryce (") U
keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) (11/23/87)
In article <21885@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> bryce@hoser.berkeley.edu (Bryce Nesbitt) writes: >In all practicality he is correct. Try and go to an Amiga dealer and >purchase a LP monochrome monitor. Of the Bay Area dealers I talked >to most had never heard you could do such a thing, and the rest had >heard that it was possible, but could not sell me a monitor. I got news for you guy, the stock IBM PC green monochrome monitor is LP. Keith Doyle # {ucbvax,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd Contel Business Systems 213-323-8170
farren@gethen.UUCP (Michael J. Farren) (11/24/87)
In article <1886@cadovax.UUCP> keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) writes: >In article <21885@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> bryce@hoser.berkeley.edu (Bryce Nesbitt) writes: >>Try and go to an Amiga dealer and purchase a LP monochrome monitor. > >I got news for you guy, the stock IBM PC green monochrome monitor is LP. I got news for YOU, guy: the stock IBM PC green monochrome monitor won't work with the Amiga. Different refresh rates. -- ---------------- Michael J. Farren "... if the church put in half the time on covetousness unisoft!gethen!farren that it does on lust, this would be a better world ..." gethen!farren@lll-winken.arpa Garrison Keillor, "Lake Wobegon Days"
bryce@hoser.berkeley.edu (Bryce Nesbitt) (11/24/87)
In article <1886@cadovax.UUCP> keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) writes: >In article <21885@ucbvax> bryce@hoser.berkeley.edu (Bryce Nesbitt) writes: >> >>In all practicality he is correct. Try and go to an Amiga dealer and >>purchase a LP monochrome monitor... > >I got news for you guy, the stock IBM PC green monochrome monitor is LP. Oh, silly me. I forgot to specify that I wanted to WORK when I got it home and hooked it up to my Amiga, guy. The "standard" Pee-Cee green has a "non-standard" scan rate (ie, non NTSC). It might not be fried by connection to an A500, but it certainly won't work, guy. Argh!!!! I feel like saying something nasty to someone. You seem like a good innocent victim. Check alt.flame for some not-so-complimentary nonsense, guy. Besides, if it was really an AMIGA dealer they would not have Pee-Cee green monitors anyway, right, guy? :-) Apply lots of :-) to anything above that offended you. If you read the alt.flame version you deserve what you get, guy. |\ /| . Ack! (NAK, SOH, EOT) {o O} . bryce@hoser.berkeley.EDU -or- ucbvax!hoser!bryce (") U WARNING: hoser's spool directory eats a *lot* of mail. :-(
grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) (11/24/87)
In article <1886@cadovax.UUCP> keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) writes: > In article <21885@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> bryce@hoser.berkeley.edu (Bryce Nesbitt) writes: > >In all practicality he is correct. Try and go to an Amiga dealer and > >purchase a LP monochrome monitor. Of the Bay Area dealers I talked > >to most had never heard you could do such a thing, and the rest had > >heard that it was possible, but could not sell me a monitor. > > I got news for you guy, the stock IBM PC green monochrome monitor is LP. It also isn't useful on an Amiga, since it has a 18 KHz horizontal scan and 50 Hz vertical scan i.e. not an NTSC monitor. Usually they can be fixed with a few simple component substitutions, but that's hacker, not dealer territory. -- George Robbins - now working for, uucp: {uunet|ihnp4|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@uunet.uu.net Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)
ljc@otter.HP.COM (Lee Carter) (11/25/87)
/ otter:comp.sys.amiga / kim@amdahl.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn) / 1:15 am Nov 20, 1987 / [ Lineeaters ... just say NO! ] Pete Jordan posted the following on our internal Amiga conference. Kinda interesting, if you wanna run some Mac programs ... /kim > Mac emulation on Amigas & Sam Tramiel > > I just called Data Pacific in Denver (303-733-8158). They did confirm > that the Mac emulator for the Amiga (magic sac or whatever) will be > coming out as a real product 1st quarter of 1988. I don't know about > you but I find that very exciting. The Amiga will have the best of > three worlds (Amiga, IBM, & MAC). Spread the news on all bulletin > boards. > > I've heard that Commodore is interested in the product > but *cannot* help at all because of potential lawsuits with Apple and > who wants that. > > I listened to Sam Tramiel of Atari on the Computer Show (Nov 17). > He did a pretty good job except one comment that really bothered me: > He said that he considers the Amiga a good color machine but *not* a > business machine because it doesn't offer 640 X 400 monochrome mode!! > That was very upsetting to me since I have been running my Amiga 500 > in 640 x 400 interlace mode with a medium persistence monitor for > quite awhile now with business packages such as WordPerfect, LosistiK, > Draw Plus, Workbench, Online!, etc. So I take offense to Sam's > erroneous statement. In other words, with a high persistence monitor > or a multi scan monitor with a deinterlacer, the Amiga makes an > *excellent* business machine. In fact I think its the best *technical* > price performance machine on the market. But then I'm pretty biased. > Other than that, Sam put on a good show for his ST line with a little > tidbit about their powerful new transputer as well. > > I'm hoping that within a month or so Commodore will be a guest on the > Computer Show and put on an extremely powerful Amiga display to dazzle > everyone with super games to powerful business stuff, and maybe > some exciting hardware announcements as well. Their current > ad campaign and push for expanding Amiga outlets is promising. Don't > stop now. -- UUCP: kim@amdahl.amdahl.com or: {sun,decwrl,hplabs,pyramid,ihnp4,uunet,oliveb,cbosgd,ames}!amdahl!kim DDD: 408-746-8462 USPS: Amdahl Corp. M/S 249, 1250 E. Arques Av, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 CIS: 76535,25 ----------
keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) (11/26/87)
In article <381@gethen.UUCP> farren@gethen.UUCP (Michael J. Farren) writes: >work with the Amiga. Different refresh rates. > Ok I guess I can buy that. I've seen the Amiga work with a stock CGA monitor, and incorrectly assumed that the monochrome monitors were running the same rate. Never mind. Keith Doyle # {ucbvax,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd Contel Business Systems 213-323-8170