mjw@F.GP.CS.CMU.EDU (Michael Witbrock) (11/12/87)
Keywords: Hey, I just had another idea for an ad. Screen shot with boring green screen. List of numbers scrolling (slowly past). voice says "Not an IBM" as the screen is pulled down to reveal. Boring mac type screen (actually workbench with colours set to monochrome). Shows two d graph (also monochrome). Voice says "not a macintosh" screen pulls down to show whizzy, animated , 3 d , colour graph. Voice " the amiga 2000" -- Alternatively, show bogus IBM database, slightly less bogus mac database, and microfiche filer (or whatever it's called) on the amiga screen instead of the graphs. P.S. CBM - is there in fact a hardware bug in the A2000 which has halted shipments (this is what a certain supplier which will remain nameless till I see whether they deserve flamage tried to suggest to me.) or is it just an inventory problem?
daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) (11/13/87)
in article <349@PT.CS.CMU.EDU>, mjw@F.GP.CS.CMU.EDU (Michael Witbrock) says: > P.S. CBM - is there in fact a hardware bug in the A2000 which has halted > shipments (this is what a certain supplier which will remain nameless till I > see whether they deserve flamage tried to suggest to me.) or is it just an > inventory problem? No bugs, no way. I think it's basically a supply problem; getting all the parts that have to go into an A2000 doesn't happen as fast as they are currently selling. The process of building them will happen faster as the production folks learn the machine better and as the strange demand conditions of (A) this is a new machine, and (B) CBM has a trade-in offer level off. -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga Usenet: {ihnp4|caip|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh "The B2000 Guy" PLINK : D-DAVE H BIX : hazy "Computers are what happen when you give up sleeping" - Iggy the Cat
mcrae@ssc-vax.UUCP (Brian Mcrae) (11/17/87)
In article <349@PT.CS.CMU.EDU>, mjw@F.GP.CS.CMU.EDU (Michael Witbrock) writes: > Hey, I just had another idea for an ad. > > Screen shot with boring green screen. List of numbers scrolling (slowly past). > voice says "Not an IBM" as the screen is pulled down to reveal. > > Boring mac type screen (actually workbench with colours set to monochrome). > Shows two d graph (also monochrome). > > Voice says "not a macintosh" > screen pulls down to show whizzy, animated , 3 d , colour graph. > > Voice " the amiga 2000" > Even better, show one guy in an office working on a mac, one in another working on an IBM and yet another working on an amiga. The commercial shows the guy on the amiga do great graphics and stuff with the powerful amiga. He finishes gets up and leaves and walks by the other guys desks. He says good night and one of the others guys go "Boy Frank goes home on time every night" the other one say the IBM user goes "I know" "But he gets so much done" "I know" "Wonder how he does it?" "beats me" Then it pans to the Amiga and says "The Amiga 2000, mastering the posibilities <or other slogan>" This could also be done with three guys in a row sitting with their backs to us working on their computers (i.e. the ibm and mac are hardly seen behind the people while the amiga is in the open when the first guy gets up and leaves). The above conversation takes place with their backs to us while the camara zooms in on the amiga. Just as an aside. I own an Ami for about roughly forever (I was one of the very first Seattle area owners), but I am not sure the above is actually true. I hate to say it but the reallity is that as a total system (hardware, software, integration, laser printer) the mac person would be the first to get up. With the Amiga and the IBM guys getting up about the same time. This DOES NOT mean that the Amiga is SLOWER than the others (i.e. it does process and draw faster). I'm just say that screen resolution and INTEGRATED software wise along with a slightly (some would much) easier to use Man-Machine Interface, the MAC gets the job done. I found this out a number of ways having access to both machines, but the one test that scared me to death was when I tried to make a map and anouncement to my house (i.e. drawings with text) I had a very difficult time doing it on my Amiga and I had no problem doing it on the MAC. (I do not have impact or ageis draw, this may be the problem). FLAME REPELLANT ON This is not because I dislike the Amiga or because I'm a secrect closet mac lover. I have just found the mac in general to be quicker and easier to use. Sorry its so long, Brian McRae Boeing Aerospace /* don't kiss aluminuim doors in the winter time */
schwager@uiucdcsm.UUCP (11/19/87)
...edited... > job done. I found this out a number of ways having access to both > machines, but the one test that scared me to death was when I tried to > make a map and anouncement to my house (i.e. drawings with text) I had > a very difficult time doing it on my Amiga and I had no problem doing it > on the MAC. (I do not have impact or ageis draw, this may be the problem). > > FLAME REPELLANT ON > Brian McRae > Boeing Aerospace > > /* End of text from uiucdcsm:comp.sys.amiga */ No flames here; but could you take that stuff off? It stinks :-) Hmmm... what were you using? If you don't mind black and white or gray-scale, then perhaps you had trouble. However, I have PageSetter and really really like it. Just go into graphics edit mode, draw a pretty picture. Then go back to the page, write the picture into a box. Include any text you need, maybe using font Diamond in point size 20. I don't have any really huge fonts; kind of a disappointment. Anyhow, print the page on the dot-matrix printer. Surprise! Decent output (doesn't match a laser printer, but who's got $1000+ for a printer?)! Done in under 1/2 an hour (I've done pretty much just what you describe in that amount of time- my 3rd time using the program; it was *easy*)! Takes 5 minutes to print the page; argh! But I'll just go grab a sandwich... My two complaints about Pagesetter: first, the looonnnggg print time. Guess that's the way it is when doing a graphics print to a dot matrix printer. Second, there's no way to get different boxes of text/graphics to move as a group (I don't think). To explain: in Pagesetter the results of a graphics edit or an text edit are placed on the page in a box you create. You can resize boxes and move them around (although the size of the text/graphics inside doesn't change- it gets truncated). But if you've got three boxes that you like the relative position of and want to move them as a group, sorry, Charlie. Anyhow, I'll take the PageSetter. Let's face it, I can do 8 pages worth of stuff and wait for it to print out (a 40 minute ordeal), in less time than I can pic/tbl/troff it at work. Desk top publishing is cool! -mike schwager -- {ihnp4,convex,pur-ee}!uiucdcs!schwager schwager%uiuc@csnet-relay.arpa University of Illinois, Dept. of Computer Science
john13@garfield.UUCP (11/21/87)
In article <7200030@uiucdcsm> schwager@uiucdcsm.cs.uiuc.edu writes: > >Surprise! Decent output >(doesn't match a laser printer, but who's got $1000+ for a printer?)! There are lots of them around if you know where to look :-). I've tested output from Scribble and DPaint (captured using CMD) and WordPerfect (saved to a file as a printing option) on a LaserJet+. Maybe your university has one, or you know someone with one at their office (and a modem line in). Troff? The non-WYSIWYG thing with the cryptic commands? Get real :-). >(About PageSetter): Second, there's no way to get >different boxes of text/graphics to move as a group (I don't think). You can use the coordinate display to line them up (relatively) easily, or turn on grid-snap so you don't have to worry about that last 1/50". John -- "She's sort of a 'pit baby', with interlocking jaws. We feed her on chicken parts." "But baby-fighting has been outlawed, hasn't it?" -- Tracy Ullman describing her infant daughter to David Letterman
schwager@uiucdcsm.cs.uiuc.edu (11/24/87)
> /* Written 9:15 pm Nov 20, 1987 by john13@garfield.UUCP in uiucdcsm:comp.sys.amiga */ > > In article <7200030@uiucdcsm> schwager@uiucdcsm.cs.uiuc.edu writes: > > > >Surprise! Decent output > >(doesn't match a laser printer, but who's got $1000+ for a printer?)! > > There are lots of them around if you know where to look :-). I've tested > output from Scribble and DPaint (captured using CMD) and WordPerfect > (saved to a file as a printing option) on a LaserJet+. Maybe your university > has one, or you know someone with one at their office (and a modem line in). > What is CMD? We've got laser printers at work; the problem is that the basic PageSetter doesn't print to 'em (they're Imagen!). No big deal, for $100 I don't expect it to. > Troff? The non-WYSIWYG thing with the cryptic commands? Get real :-). I'm trying :-)! Let's face it, troff is stone-age text formatting. Ugh. But it's got some more powerful commands, I'll give it that. Even without the power, I'm happier to use PageSetter because I'm so much more productive. > > >(About PageSetter): Second, there's no way to get > >different boxes of text/graphics to move as a group (I don't think). > > You can use the coordinate display to line them up (relatively) easily, or > turn on grid-snap so you don't have to worry about that last 1/50". > > John > -- I realize that. That's not the question, the question is: I've got all this stuff (a dozen boxes) lined up just the way I want it. Now I've decided I want to put a heading above it, so I want to move it all down an inch. Sure, a dozen moves is not much of a problem. But the really slick way to do it would be to surround the whole bunch with a big box, and just one quick and easy move and- voila- thar 'tis! Pagesetter is really cool, but I'm fresh out of troff... are there other DTP's that are more powerful, maybe having features like automatic section numbering and/or automatic page numbering? That would make it a really professional tool, in my opinion. Or am I expecting too much from a DTP? Maybe that's the job of a word processor? -mike schwager -- {ihnp4,convex,pur-ee}!uiucdcs!schwager schwager%uiuc@csnet-relay.arpa University of Illinois, Dept. of Computer Science
andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) (11/25/87)
In article <7200033@uiucdcsm> schwager@uiucdcsm.cs.uiuc.edu writes: >What is CMD? We've got laser printers at work; the problem is that the basic >PageSetter doesn't print to 'em (they're Imagen!). No big deal, for $100 I >don't expect it to. CMD is a program that redirects output to either the parallel or serial device to a file. It was posted to comp.amiga.{sources/binaries}, and may be found on the Fish disks. Its especially good for printing many copies of the same picture at shows. -- andy finkel {ihnp4|seismo|allegra}!cbmvax!andy Commodore-Amiga, Inc. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
phil@titan.rice.edu (William LeFebvre) (11/25/87)
In article <4241@garfield.UUCP> john13@garfield.UUCP (John Russell) writes: > >Troff? The non-WYSIWYG thing with the cryptic commands? Get real :-). Yeah, get real and start using TeX. Infinitely better than troff and gives much better results than any old wimpy WYSIWYG system. (only half a :-). Seriously, AmigaTeX is real, and it is really great! I've got a demo disk for it and I was very impressed. William LeFebvre Department of Computer Science Rice University <phil@Rice.edu>
peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (11/28/87)
> > Troff? The non-WYSIWYG thing with the cryptic commands? Get real :-). > > I'm trying :-)! Let's face it, troff is stone-age text formatting. Troff is a different SORT of program than pagesetter. I wouldn't expect you to do a fancy newsletter with graphics and images in Troff. On the other hand, I'd hate to enter a book into Pagesetter. It's like the difference between a spreadsheet and a programming language. You can write programs in Lotus, but anything complex will be easier in Modula or 'C'. -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- Disclaimer: These U aren't mere opinions... these are *values*.