CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) (12/29/87)
Well after reading the latest mail from Comp.sys.amiga and seeing exactly three messages consisting totally of ASDG and Commodore beating each others heads in, I'd like to thank you both for ruining my impressions of the people involved. In the 1.5 yrs that i've been reading comp.sys.amiga, this forum has been a valuable source of information for me both in my private life as a member and executive member of the local amiga users group, in my life as Engineering student, and in my Part time job at the local amiga dealership. There, the truth is out..... I bought the A2052 memory card at cost. I figured that would be the most cost effective way for me to get myself 2 megs of future compatible memory. I called ASDG, had a chat with a couple of people there, and they recommended micron as a manufacturer of card cages. AT NO time was any mention made of this SUBSET or SUPERSET Zorro II crap thats been flying about WRT to my Christmas day message asking why my A2052 wouldn't work in the micron cage. I called micron, asked them if the cage was FULLY Zorro II compatible, and they said YES. I then ordered one, assuming that by FULLY compatible, it would work with something from the company that ORIGINATED the DA*N spec in the first place. I receive the cage, install it, and the memory and then procede to spend an entire long lonely Christmas weekend tearing my HAIR out trying to figure out why the cage won't work. (INCLUDING tracing every single trace on the damn card cage motherboard) I now read commodore and asdg bashing each other and NOT helping me in anyway like suggesting,, fix this or that.... instead i'm told to buy this or that, and take this or that back. I'm PISSED OFF... I bought the A2052 because even though I'd love to, I can't afford ASDG's products.... everyone says they are the best, but I CAN'T afford $500 US for a BARE BOARD. let alone whatever the price is for 16 1 megbit drams. Well ok thanks for nothing much everyone. I'm calling Micron in the morning, and they better let me return the cage or there will be some hot phone lines between Regina and Boise Idaho, because when they sell a product to a customer, they damn well better say that this product will only work with their cards and that it ISN'T a Zorro II spec card Cage. WHO Makes a GOOD RELIABLE _ZORRO_II_ compatible card cage. I can't afford ASDG, and i'm pissed at micron. Thank you for tolerating my Flameage, but i'm tired after a day of tolerating abusive customers at the computer store, and trying to make this board work, and tired of reading that no one has a solid solution short of returning the card cage or the memory board. Which based on what commodore and ASDG has to say, seems to be my only option. Jonathan Crone Pithy Saying 0xC00000 hey, what about insider. Disclaimer: This message has been posted by myself, Jonathan Crone, and does not reflect the views of the University of Regina, nor does it imply a commerical content based upon my part time employment at the local Regina Amiga dealer.
eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (12/31/87)
In article <8712290336.AA28768@jade.berkeley.edu> CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET.UUCP writes: >Well after reading the latest mail from Comp.sys.amiga and seeing >exactly three messages consisting totally of ASDG and Commodore beating >each others heads in, I'd like to thank you both for ruining my impressions >of the people involved. I hardly think that the messages between George and myself can be construed as our beating each others heads in. George and I know each other and are actually quite friendly. I have no animosity towards Commodore and I'm sure the same can be said of Commodore towards ASDG - George was simply keeping me in line (hey, I'm human - I get carried away and hype our products a little too much every now and then :-) - 'nuff said. >There, the truth is out..... I bought the A2052 memory card at cost. >I figured that would be the most cost effective way for me to get >myself 2 megs of future compatible memory. >I called ASDG, had a chat with a couple of people there, and they recommended >micron as a manufacturer of card cages. AT NO time was any mention >made of this SUBSET or SUPERSET Zorro II crap thats been flying about >WRT to my Christmas day message asking why my A2052 wouldn't work in the micron >cage. We obviously assumed that you would be purchasing a board from Micron as well. Sounds like a simple misunderstanding here - I don't think we specifically told you that you would be able to use *other* peoples products in the Micron chassis. You can still buy a Micron board at cost if you work for a dealer. >I called micron, asked them if the cage was FULLY Zorro II compatible, >and they said YES. If this is really the case, we will be in contact with Micron to correct the situation. Their boards are fully Zorro compliant, but the single slot adapter is not. They should not be telling their customers otherwise. >I then ordered one, assuming that by FULLY compatible, it would work >with something from the company that ORIGINATED the DA*N spec in the first >place. >I receive the cage, install it, and the memory and then procede to spend an >entire long lonely Christmas weekend tearing my HAIR out trying to figure >out why the cage won't work. >(INCLUDING tracing every single trace on the damn card cage motherboard) > >I now read commodore and asdg bashing each other and NOT helping me in >anyway like suggesting,, fix this or that.... instead i'm told to >buy this or that, and take this or that back. Sorry Jonathan - I'm afraid we offered whatever suggestions were possible, would you rather we hadn't? There just wasn't a "fix" that we could offer other than to recommend returns/changes. >I'm PISSED OFF... > >I bought the A2052 because even though I'd love to, I can't afford ASDG's >products.... everyone says they are the best, but I CAN'T afford $500 US >for a BARE BOARD. let alone whatever the price is for 16 1 megbit drams. > >Well ok thanks for nothing much everyone. That's what we get for trying to help... (sigh) Eric Lavitsky ARPA: eric@topaz.rutgers.edu "Lithium is no longer available UUCP: ...{wherever!}ulysses!eric on credit..." ...{wherever!}rutgers!topaz!eric - from Buckaroo Banzai SNAIL: 34 Maplehurst Ln, Piscataway, NJ 08854