[comp.sys.amiga] New Proposal for splitting up comp.sys.amiga

haitex@pnet01.cts.com (Wade Bickel) (01/31/88)

		NEW SUGGESTION FOR SPLITTING UP amiga/comp-amiga.


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		I finally am able to read news.groups.  I was expecting	
	a raging debate as to how to or whether to split up this group.
	Instead I found a news group with hundreds of messages, of which
	only a handfull were about splitting comp.sys.amiga.  I assume 
	others have the same difficulty getting to news.groups that I've
	run into?  (I still have not figured out how to post to it!)


		Well, I've put some thought into this, and this article 
	will contain my suggestion for how to split up comp.sys.amiga.  
	First, however, I would like to discuss what I feel to be the
	relevant considerations.  I'll try to keep this breif.
	
		After looking at the previous suggestion to split
	comp.sys.amiga into two or more groups and the few responses that
	were posted, it seemed to me these are the issues we must
	consider:
	
	     1)	 Conservation of reading time.  If comp.sys.amiga grows in
	            proportions to the growth of the Amiga market, it is
		    likely that there will soon be too many postings for
		    many individuals to follow.  As key people find keeping
		    up with the net too time consuming they will, of necessity,
		    have to stop following it. 
		      RECENTLY IT SEEMS TO ME A NUMBER OF C= PEOPLE HAVE STOP-
		    PED REGULARLY FOLLOWING COMP.SYS.AMIGA!  From the nature
		    of the response patterns of C= messages I also think
		    quite a few who used to read the board now respond mostly
		    to postings referenced by someone else or which were also
		    sent direct via mail.  THESE ARE THE PEOPLE I WANT TO EN-
		    COURAGE TO FOLLOW THE DISCUSSIONS, ESPECIALLY THE TECHNICAL
		    POSTINGS!
		    
	      2)  A simple two-way split  (ie: add group comp.sys.amiga.tech)
	            would probably result in comp.sys.amiga degenerating into
		    chatter.  What reduces this now is the Flaming over 
		    non-technical threads that last too long.
		    
	      3)  A multi-way split is too complicated, for us and the 
	            Net GODS.
		    
		    
		Now for my solution (previously sent in a less thought out
	version to Bryce Nesbit {does my mail get to him??}).
	
	  	What I suggest is that we use the keyword field in the
	following manner.  Reserve the keyword ".tech" for designating
	a technical posting.  Furthermore, for future expansion, reserve
	the use of "." as the first character of a keyword for "sanctioned"
	keywords only (in the begining only ".tech").  Thus any keyword
	could be placed in the keywords feild that does not begin with ".".
	
		The immeadiate effect of this will be that those who must 
	filter their reading will be able to do so.  In the future however,
	more sanctioned keywords could be added.  The keywords might be
	".tech", ".intuition", ".hardware", ".graphics", ".printers",
	".product_comments", etc.   These would be used to create a filter
	to sift the postings.
	
		Ideally I might have a readnews filter defined as something
	like this:
	
		filter := {(!.printers) & (.graphics | .intuition)}
		
	and I would recieve only those postings which had to do with intuition
	or graphics but not printers.  Combine with non-santioned keywords,
	specific articles could be filtered, as in
	
		filter := {product_comments & ASDG}
		
	would return postings about ASDG products.
	
	
		Finally, I would like one added feature.  Filter by author
	sould also be available.  ie:  Some people's postings I always want
	to read, and there are a few who I never want to read.  These should
	also be possible fields.
	
		How would you use this?  Well, I figure the user creates
	a prioritised filter specification and also indicates the number
	of messages he/she wishes to read.  The system would then return
	that number of postings, according to the filter.
	
		BEST OF ALL, THIS SYSTEM WOULD BE ALMOST TOTALLY TRANSPARENT
	TO THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF COMP.SYS.AMIGA AND WOULD REQUIRE (ALMOST?)
	NO SUPERVISION BY THE NET GODS.
	
		Please send me E-Mail with your comments, as this is not
	yet an official proposal.  I'm not quite sure what one does to 
	make an official proposal.
	
	
						     Thanks,
						     
						     	     Wade.

		
		
		
	
	      

                                                     Thank you,


                                                              Wade.


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jbn@glacier.STANFORD.EDU (John B. Nagle) (02/01/88)

      Let's just create comp.sys.amiga.games and move all the game-related
discussions to that group.  This would cut volume in comp.sys.amiga by
perhaps half.

					John Nagle

schein@cbmvax.UUCP (Dan Schein CATS) (02/02/88)

In article <17291@glacier.STANFORD.EDU> jbn@glacier.UUCP (John B. Nagle) writes:
>
>      Let's just create comp.sys.amiga.games and move all the game-related
>discussions to that group.  This would cut volume in comp.sys.amiga by
>perhaps half.
>
>					John Nagle

  OR how about -> comp.sys.amiga & comp.sys.amiga.other

  Then all the Non-technical Amiga debates (wars?) like Shareware, Pirates,
  ST vs Amiga, ect, ect could could be moved. Also other items of the
  non-techinical type (Read: Kill file material) can be moved out of
  comp.sys.amiga including things like Johns idea of games.

  [Anti-Flame Filler]

  Please note: I used the term "Non-technical" and not UnNeeded or something
  on that order. I feel these discussions help to raise valid questions and 
  on ocassion a new answer or opion, but I do feel that these discussions do
  not belong in comp.sys.amiga

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eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (02/04/88)

In article <3254@cbmvax.UUCP> schein@cbmvax.UUCP (Dan Schein CATS) writes:
>In article <17291@glacier.STANFORD.EDU> jbn@glacier.UUCP (John B. Nagle) writes:
>>
>>      Let's just create comp.sys.amiga.games and move all the game-related
>>discussions to that group.  This would cut volume in comp.sys.amiga by
>>perhaps half.
>>
>>					John Nagle
>
>  OR how about -> comp.sys.amiga & comp.sys.amiga.other
>

Hmmm - '.other' is a little too vague/nondescript and doesn't fit in
well with current net naming conventions. I suggest that we either
take the Mac group's route:

	comp.sys.amiga	comp.sys.amiga.tech <- here the former is the general group

or a 'typical' naming scheme:

	comp.sys.amiga	comp.sys.amiga.misc <- here the latter is the general group

I think the first suggestion is better, since people who want to start more
technical discussions can take the initiative to break off from the other group.
In the latter scheme, people will just continue posting to comp.sys.amiga like
they always have - we know how the net behaves, eh? ;-) 

Eric

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