sqrkl@csvax.liv.ac.uk (03/07/88)
> I didn't ask for it. You are certainly entitled to your > opinions, but WHY would you post this to comp.sys.atari.st? > Are you trying to stir up some excitement, or what? > If you guys want to rant and rave about stupid things like this, > why not keep it to yourself? Mail is good for that, you know. Normally, I would have kept it to myself (and MAILed directly to the person involved), but I was angry with the person who'd "flamed" me just because I put a personal opinion at the end of one of my postings. I don't like being accused of posting "childish bulls**t" and being told to take a course in logic (???), so I thought other people should see some extracts from his MAIL to me, along with some 'arguments' he requested I supply... Anyway, if you want to see a GOOD machine, forget the Amiga, Macintosh and Atari ST - buy an Acorn Archimedes...I've been programming in ARM (RISC) code for a couple of months now and it is BEAUTIFUL (so's the Archimedes - puts all other machines below a MicroVAX 3500 to shame). Richard K. Lloyd, *************************************************** Computer Science Dept., * JANET : SQRKL@UK.AC.LIV.CSVAX * Liverpool University, * UUCP : {backbone}!mcvax!ukc!mupsy!liv-cs!SQRKL * Merseyside, England, * ARPA : SQRKL%csvax.liv.ac.uk@nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk * Great (?) Britain. *************************************************** "I have VERY strong opinions which are nothing whatsoever to do with the University of Liverpool, so blame ME if I bitch about useless IBM PC clones, even more redundant IBM mainframes and the terrible Atari ST..."
exodus@uop.edu (G.Onufer) (03/10/88)
In article <478@csvax.liv.ac.uk>, sqrkl@csvax.liv.ac.uk writes: > > I didn't ask for it. You are certainly entitled to your > > opinions, but WHY would you post this to comp.sys.atari.st? > Anyway, if you want to see a GOOD machine, forget the Amiga, Macintosh and > Atari ST - buy an Acorn Archimedes...I've been programming in ARM (RISC) code > for a couple of months now and it is BEAUTIFUL (so's the Archimedes - puts > all other machines below a MicroVAX 3500 to shame). I wouldn't worry too much about this guy. He mailed me after I flamed him... in fact, he is still mailing me. His opions are semi-unusual: -Anything that resembles a C-Shell is terrible -If it isn't VMS DCL, it isn't usable -VMS is the most user-friendly system available (or close to it) -GnuEmacs isn't a decent editor -The Acorn is the world's best computer-- [ME: Where is it?] -Unix commands are too cryptic to be usable -BASIC (albeit a modern semi-structured BASIC) is the programming language of choice [ME: Why not use PASCAL?] -C is a terrible language, see above -There are no decent compilers for the ST [Ever see MWC 2.0 or above?] -Only his opinions mean anything See? No problems here. Obviously not a hacker. [These opions have been re-worded but contain the same thoughts he expressed to me. My comments are in brackets containing the word "ME"] He does claim an Archimedes obtains 4 MIPS for somewhere around 800 pounds sterling... is that around 1600 dollars? I forgot the exchange rate!! G.Onufer
ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) (03/11/88)
In article <1244@uop.edu> exodus@uop.edu (G.Onufer) writes: >In article <478@csvax.liv.ac.uk>, sqrkl@csvax.liv.ac.uk writes: >> > I didn't ask for it. You are certainly entitled to your >> > opinions, but WHY would you post this to comp.sys.atari.st? >> Anyway, if you want to see a GOOD machine, forget the Amiga, Macintosh and >> Atari ST - buy an Acorn Archimedes...I've been programming in ARM (RISC) code >> for a couple of months now and it is BEAUTIFUL (so's the Archimedes - puts >> all other machines below a MicroVAX 3500 to shame). > >I wouldn't worry too much about this guy. He mailed me after I flamed him... >in fact, he is still mailing me. His opions are semi-unusual: > >[ Handwave, Handwave... ] >-The Acorn is the world's best computer-- [ME: Where is it?] > >He does claim an Archimedes obtains 4 MIPS for somewhere around 800 pounds >sterling... is that around 1600 dollars? I forgot the exchange rate!! > He is right about the Acorn system; the ARM chip kicks major a**. Don't believe it? Dave Needle (ex C-A hardware tech, and a damn good one, too) created an Acorn RISC-based prototype system while he worked for another well-known company after he left C-A. It was an 8MHz system, and had it emulating their low-end system's software, and running their graphics kernel flawlessly. The ARM system he designed outperformed every system this company made, including the MAC-II. It was also cheap (according to Dave, you can get the ARM chip for $10, quantity one). Said company refused to manufacture it, claiming that it would never work. Never mind that Dave and others in his crew had a fully functional prototype, running all the software that the software division said would never work. Dave got fed up because of this, and now works for Epyx, designing who-knows-what. If the Archimedes ever makes it to the States, I'm gonna take a good look at it. If Dave's any expert (and he is), it should be one very impressive system. DISCLAIMER: Stories relating to this mythical vaporsystem were related to me by Dave Needle. I make no claims as to their accuracy. He may have been making it all up (not unlikely; he claims to be from Jupiter, and does so with a straight face). _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape ihnp4!ptsfa -\ \_ -_ Recumbent Bikes: dual ---> !{well,unicom}!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor