showard@udenva.UUCP (showard) (09/24/85)
> Hello, out there! I'm new to this mail stuff and I'd like to know if there > are any hardcore (or even not-so-hard-core) Zeppelin fans, especially ones who > think Jimmy Page is the greatest thing on strings, out there in newsland. I would > really like to chat with you. Just leave a reply so I can get back to you. How about people who think that Jimmy Page was a very good guitar player who has been riding on his reputation for about 5 years? Anyone who saw the Plant- Page reunion (why wasn't JPJ there?) on Live Aid knows what I'm talking about. I do, however, feel that Led Zeppelin was one of the few bands who made the seventies more than just fragments of the sixties (musically speaking of course) Their best songs (in my not-so-humble opinion) were "Fool in the Rain" and "I'm Gonna Crawl" from "In Through the Out Door," "Dazed and Confused" from the first album, and "Misty Mountain Hop" from the fourth. Notice which song is deliberately eliminated, due mostly to over-exposure. Something for LZ fans to think about: To what extent do you agree with the Rolling Stone Book of Rock Lists that the first album was "recycled Jeff Beck Group"? --Mr. Blore, the DJ who would not die -- ..udenva!showard "I ain't gonna go by bus ..."
ccs020@ucdavis.UUCP (Kevin Chu) (09/26/85)
[...] > How about people who think that Jimmy Page was a very good guitar player who > has been riding on his reputation for about 5 years? Anyone who saw the Plant- > Page reunion (why wasn't JPJ there?) on Live Aid knows what I'm talking about. > John Paul Jones was there. He played bass and keyboards like the old days. I have heard (not from reliable sources) that they plan to continue this reunion with Tony Thompson as drummer. Thompson and Phil Collins both played drums at Live-Aid. And before someone jumps all over me, I know that Robert Plant said he would never do this again, but I am just repeating what I heard. Roger Daltry also said he would never sing with The Who again, too. --Kevin Chu ..ucbvax!ucdavis!vega!ccs020 /ex
andrew@grkermi.UUCP (Andrew W. Rogers) (09/27/85)
In article <862@udenva.UUCP> showard@udenva.UUCP (showard) writes: >>I'd like to know if there are any hardcore Zeppelin fans, especially ones >>who think Jimmy Page is the greatest thing on strings... > > How about people who think that Jimmy Page was a very good guitar player >who has been riding on his reputation for about 5 years? Anyone who saw the >Plant-Page reunion (why wasn't JPJ there?) on Live Aid knows what I'm talking >about. Anyone who's heard The Firm knows what you're talking about, too. Hasn't done much for Paul Rodgers' reputation either (assuming you think he had one)! I didn't see Live Aid, so I wasn't aware of JPJ's absence... who took his place? And once and for all, just who did play drums? > I do, however, feel that Led Zeppelin was one of the few bands who made the > 70's more than just fragments of the 60's (musically speaking of course). > > Their best songs (in my not-so-humble opinion) were "Fool in the Rain" and >"I'm Gonna Crawl" from "In Through the Out Door," "Dazed and Confused" from >the first album, and "Misty Mountain Hop" from the fourth. Notice which song >is deliberately eliminated, due mostly to over-exposure. Speaking of a certain over-exposed tune... I was a college DJ circa '72-'73, and when someone would request you-know-what, I'd play the Neil Sedaka song of the same title! > Something for LZ fans to think about: To what extent do you agree with the >Rolling Stone Book of Rock Lists that the first album was "recycled Jeff Beck >Group"? Consider John Mendelsohn's RS review of the first album (quoted from memory): "The formula seems to be: take an ex-Yardbirds guitarist, add a pretty soul-belter who can do a good spade impression and a competent rhythm section... Led Zeppelin has little to offer that its twin, the Jeff Beck Group, hasn't already done better..." Let's see... Page wrote "Beck's Bolero", JPJ played organ on "Old Man River", and both groups covered "You Shook Me", a Willie Dixon tune that is so overdone that even Zep didn't dare to claim they had written it! Don't know if I'd call them "twins", though... Speaking of "recycling", you could say that "Dazed and Confused" was recycled Jake Holmes (who had performed a very similar song called "I'm Confused" as the opening act for the latter-day Yardbirds), or that "How Many More Times" is a recycling of God-knows-who's "How Many More Years" and Albert King's "The Hunter", plus a snatch of "Beck's Bolero". Of course, Willie Dixon sued LZ for allegedly Page-iarizing a tune of his for "Whole Lotta Love"... and wasn't it nice of P,P,J,&B to give Memphis Minnie 1/5 of the writing credit for a tune she came up with before any of them were born? I'm told that "Boogie With Stu" is a note-for-note copy of some 50's tune (I don't recall which). "Bring It On Home" is "borrowed" from Sonny Boy Williamson... Andrew W. Rogers PS: Not to brag or anything, but I heard Zep on their second or third US date (Aerodrome, Schenectady NY)!
kimery@wdl1.UUCP (09/28/85)
/***** wdl1:net.music / udenva!showard / 2:09 pm Sep 23, 1985*/ Subject: Re: Led Zeppelin fans and Jimmy Page > Hello, out there! I'm new to this mail stuff and I'd like to know if there > are any hardcore (or even not-so-hard-core) Zeppelin fans, especially ones who > think Jimmy Page is the greatest thing on strings, out there in newsland. I would > really like to chat with you. Just leave a reply so I can get back to you. How about people who think that Jimmy Page was a very good guitar player who has been riding on his reputation for about 5 years? Anyone who saw the Plant- Page reunion (why wasn't JPJ there?) on Live Aid knows what I'm talking about. John Paul Jones WAS there...... As for Jimmy Page riding his reputation, no, I don't see it quite that way. I suppose next you will try to compare him to the most :-) innovative guitarist in the world.....Eddie Van Halen..(GOD IS HE BORING!) By the way the one that has riding his repuation for a while is Jimmy Hendrix. :-). Sam
paul@helens.UUCP (Paul Brownlow @ Data I/O -- Redmond, WA) (10/01/85)
> > How about people who think that Jimmy Page was a very good guitar player who > has been riding on his reputation for about 5 years? Anyone who saw the Plant- > Page reunion (why wasn't JPJ there?) on Live Aid knows what I'm talking about. > > --Mr. Blore, the DJ who would not die > -- ..udenva!showard > "I ain't gonna go by bus ..." Not to disagree, but just to correct the facts. John Paul Jones *did* play at the Live Aid reunion in Philly - they just didn't show him very much. He was that fat, ugly guy playing bass. Phil Collins and Tony Thompson (Power Station) were on drums. With the exception of the drummers, I thought the group sounded like a bad pub band. Page was so messed up he could barely stand, let alone play guitar. Go ahead, flame me -- I used to be a LZ fan about a dozen years ago, but not any more. -- ...."You're never alone with a schizophrenic."
lp102911@sjuvax.UUCP (palena) (10/07/85)
In article <96@ucdavis.UUCP> ccs020@ucdavis.UUCP (Kevin Chu) writes: > >[...] >> How about people who think that Jimmy Page was a very good guitar player who >> has been riding on his reputation for about 5 years? Anyone who saw the Plant- >> Page reunion (why wasn't JPJ there?) on Live Aid knows what I'm talking about. I saw Santana,Knopfler, and heard Clapton at Live-Aid.I see nothing wrong with saying that Page held his own against all of these heavyweights.Musically,Live-Aid wasn't a spectacular event.In this context I don't feel it fair to denounce Page because he didn't tear the place down.For him the days of the screaming Marshall/Les- Paul are over,but the fact remains that he is still one of rock's most distinctive guitarists and anyone who claims that Mark Knopfler is one of the greats,I feel, is compelled to say that Page is a great as well.Both are blues-based with distinctive tones and twists and per- sonally, I think Page is better.(NO FLAMES ON THIS POINT). I drew one strong conclusion about Jimmy Page from Live-Aid; he'd better see a doctor or he isn't long for this world.I had to pinch myself to convince myself I wasn't seeing his ghost. Larry Palena sjuvax/lp102911
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (10/10/85)
> I saw Santana,Knopfler, and heard Clapton at Live-Aid. I see nothing wrong > with saying that Page held his own against all of these heavyweights. Perhaps this says more about the status of those "heavyweights" than anything else... :-? -- "There! I've run rings 'round you logically!" "Oh, intercourse the penguin!" Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr
lp102911@sjuvax.UUCP (palena) (10/15/85)
In article <1861@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes: >> I saw Santana,Knopfler, and heard Clapton at Live-Aid. I see nothing wrong >> with saying that Page held his own against all of these heavyweights. > >Perhaps this says more about the status of those "heavyweights" than anything >else... :-? >-- >"There! I've run rings 'round you logically!" >"Oh, intercourse the penguin!" Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr Yeah,I love follow-ups.Somebody takes two lines from your article,comes up with a cute rebuttal,and "runs rings 'round...etc." I guess when you're presented with the opportunity to see Mick Jagger trip over himself in a video of the 724th remake of "Dancin' in the Streets",and then later (live,no less),attempt a rape of Tina Turner, a couple of old farts like Page and Plant just won't do.I mean who cares if it was the last time that "Stairway to Heaven" may ever be performed by the two.I mean if Jones is a bit overweight that just ruins the whole experience. Just another timely contribution to net.KateBush, Larry Palena, St. Joseph's Univ. { astrovax | allegra | bpa | burdvax } !sjuvax!lp102911
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (10/18/85)
>>> I saw Santana,Knopfler, and heard Clapton at Live-Aid. I see nothing wrong >>> with saying that Page held his own against all of these heavyweights. >>Perhaps this says more about the status of those "heavyweights" than anything >>else... :-? > Yeah,I love follow-ups.Somebody takes two lines from your > article,comes up with a cute rebuttal,and "runs rings 'round...etc." > I guess when you're presented with the opportunity to see Mick Jagger > trip over himself in a video of the 724th remake of "Dancin' in the > Streets",and then later (live,no less),attempt a rape of Tina Turner, > a couple of old farts like Page and Plant just won't do. Not when they simply weren't up to snuff. They're not "great" just because you say they're great, or because you like to think they're great, or because they were great. (I really have no idea what real point Mr. Palena is trying to make.) Jimmy Page has a face and brain that have essentially turned to liquid as a result of overuse of a certain drug. It shows in his playing. The man is simply not the great guitarist he was when he recorded "Rock and Roll", "Communications Breakdown", "Heartbreaker", "Immigrant Song", "The Crunge". Nor is Clapton the same guitarist he was when he recorded "Layla", "Tales of Brave Ulysses", "Little Wing", etc. To say that they are is to denigrate the people who are really guitarists today. What Jagger does is irrelevant, since if anything he qualifies as an even older fart. > I mean who cares if it was the last time that "Stairway to Heaven" may ever > be performed by the two. If it wasn't performed well, indeed, who cares? (I might even be tempted to say "Good riddance" after that performance.) Hey, I watched it too and was impressed that they got back together and all, but on second watching I found the whole set to be wanting. > I mean if Jones is a bit overweight that just ruins the whole > experience. Strange set of values, there. I didn't like it merely because I didn't like the performance. Jones' obesity (which I didn't notice and haven't noticed yet in seeing interviews of him, so I have no idea what you're talking about) was and is a non-issue. > Just another timely contribution to > net.KateBush, > Larry Palena, It's apparent where this person is coming from. -- "Meanwhile, I was still thinking..." Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr
lp102911@sjuvax.UUCP (palena) (10/23/85)
In article <1896@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes: >> Yeah,I love follow-ups.Somebody takes two lines from your >> article,comes up with a cute rebuttal,and "runs rings 'round...etc." ...etc... > >Not when they simply weren't up to snuff. They're not "great" just because >you say they're great, or because you like to think they're great, or because >they were great. (I really have no idea what real point Mr. Palena is trying >to make.) Jimmy Page has a face and brain that have essentially turned to >liquid as a result of overuse of a certain drug. It shows in his playing. ...I don't make points,I SCORE them.I learned my debating technique at the Don Rickles School of Oratory and Rhetoric.Page doesn't look the way he did because of drugs.That's just naivete' in the worst. The fact is that he has always been of frail health.He turned down his first chance to join the Yardbirds because he didn't think he could survive the arduous touring.His terrible physical condition is the result of his aggravating this with years and years of work- ing with Zeppelin.He was involved in heroin,but kicked the habit shortly after Bonham's death.If you don't believe this,all I can say is that he has always looked that way,for at least the last six years. >The man is simply not the great guitarist he was when he recorded "Rock and >Roll", "Communications Breakdown", "Heartbreaker", "Immigrant Song", "The >Crunge". Nor is Clapton the same guitarist he was when he recorded "Layla", ...while your ability to name Zeppelin tunes in admirable,your opinion of Page still sucks and shows your ignorance."Immigrant Song" is simply an octave lick with a few sliding bar-chords.He can probably play that song as well today as he did in 1970... >"Tales of Brave Ulysses", "Little Wing", etc. To say that they are is to >denigrate the people who are really guitarists today. ..."the people who are really guitarists today" play the guitar with their index fingers instead of picks.Most of them owe a great deal to Page... > >> I mean who >> cares if it was the last time that "Stairway to Heaven" may ever be >> performed by the two. > >If it wasn't performed well, indeed, who cares? > ...that song was a cultural icon,the ultimate statement of the hippie generation (at least from the British point of view).Some people req- uested radio stations to play it to coincide with teenager's funerals. It was a momentous occasion to see the song's authors perform it to- gether for probably the last time,even if they were a little out of practice... >> I mean if Jones is a bit overweight that just ruins the whole >> experience. > >Strange set of values, there. I didn't like it merely because I didn't like >the performance. Jones' obesity (which I didn't notice and haven't noticed >yet in seeing interviews of him, so I have no idea what you're talking about. > ...apologies are in order here.I know somebody asked the net if Jones were at Live-Aid and received the response,"Yeah,he was the fat,ugly guy playing bass."If you weren't responsible for this then I'm sorry for the mix-up... >> Just another timely contribution to >> net.KateBush, >> Larry Palena, > >It's apparent where this person is coming from. >-- ...PERSON!!?? PERSON!!?? I think you should know that the last dude who called me a person is still looking for his head!!!... I don't know how long this seriousness streak is going to last, Larry Palena, lp102911@sjuvax