[comp.sys.amiga] Amiga Xanadu

doug@eris (Doug Merritt) (04/10/88)

In article <908@nuchat.UUCP> peter@nuchat.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
>Hey! What happened to Amiga Xanadu? Anything new on that front lately?

For one thing, don't hold your breath for anything out of the Xanadu
project...they are chronically understaffed and underfunded. I
have the impression that they're in an infinite design loop, too,
since it's been several years now that they've had alpha stuff running
on a Sun, but it never gets released. One further gets the impression
that they are so visionary that they will have troubles with real
world marketing, despite their "Speaker-to-Bankers" associate
(my all-time favorite business card job title, btw). Roger Gregory was
their only "full-time" person for a long time; I don't know about right
this instant.

For another thing, last time I checked they were not especially hot
on the Amiga...they had one lying around that someone would periodically
do a little Xanadu front end work for, while it gathered dust the
rest of the time. Their interest is in the Sun as a back end server,
and primarily on the Mac and Atari ST as front ends.

(BTW they're in Palo Alto, California, and interested parties should
see the (latest) edition of "Literary Machines" for definition of
data structures and overall design. Also note that "Computer Lib"
has a new edition out with a great many updates.)

This might have changed recently if some Amiga hacker has gotten
more free time to work on it, but see paragraph 1 above. Ted Nelson
*has* seen the NewTek demo on their in-house Amiga and apparently was
impressed. Furthermore Nelson has recently moved from Texas to Palo
Alto, apparently to support the efforts more directly. (I don't know
if this is good or bad; we'll see.) Anyone in the Palo Alto area
with some serious interest & free time should contact them; they'd
probably welcome some help.

One more thing...they have been distributing their documentation via
Owl's "Guide" hypertext program for the Mac, which they apparently
approve of.  I don't know what they think about Hypercard.

They appear to be one of the only groups working on a sort of universal
global hypertext data base, in a visionary futuristic sense; most of
the other folks in the world are doing localized hypertext data bases
(stuff stored just on your local machine or distributed across a LAN,
as opposed to "having the world's knowledge at your fingertips").

	Doug Merritt		doug@mica.berkeley.edu (ucbvax!mica!doug)
			or	ucbvax!unisoft!certes!doug

doug@eris (Doug Merritt) (04/11/88)

In article <8531@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> doug@eris.UUCP (Doug Merritt) writes:
>In article <908@nuchat.UUCP> peter@nuchat.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>
>>Hey! What happened to Amiga Xanadu? Anything new on that front lately?
>
>For one thing, don't hold your breath for anything out of the Xanadu
>project...they are chronically understaffed and underfunded. I

My news on the subject was old, so I did some more checking last night
and discovered some inaccuracies in my posting. There are some changes
happening with Xanadu that might result in something concrete, but it's
not-to-be-discussed at the moment. It may be some months before they're
ready to allow any public statements about what, if anything, happened
or will happen.

Yes, they do have a working Amiga front end, a simple character-oriented
port from an IBM PC. And the backend on the Sun sounds like it's
in at least moderately good shape after all.

And it's not Xanadu documentation that's distributed via Owl's Guide
hypertext program...what happened is that the author of Guide,
Alan Boyd, got the rights to Literary Machines for distribution in
Guide form.

As to the Xanadu attitude towards both Guide and Hypertext, it's that
both are helping increase awareness of hypertext, and as such are
Good Things, but that they are significantly different than what
Xanadu is doing and hence are not any kind of competition. I guess
that's obvious, anyway.


	Doug Merritt		doug@mica.berkeley.edu (ucbvax!mica!doug)
			or	ucbvax!unisoft!certes!doug

UH2@PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) (04/12/88)

In alt.hypertext there is an announcement that 80% of the Xanadu(tm)
project has been acquired by the software company that makes AutoCADD.

ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) (04/12/88)

In article <8531@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> doug@eris.UUCP (Doug Merritt) writes:
>In article <908@nuchat.UUCP> peter@nuchat.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>
>>Hey! What happened to Amiga Xanadu? Anything new on that front lately?
>
>For one thing, don't hold your breath for anything out of the Xanadu
>project...they are chronically understaffed and underfunded.  [ ... ]

	This is no longer the case.  Ten Nelson held a press conference at
the 13th annual West Coast Computer Faire:  80% of Xanadu Operating Company
has been picked up by AutoDesk, makers of AutoCAD.

	They're going to hire seven new programmers, and start serious work
on the Xanadu back-end.

	From my perspective, this works great, since Ten Nelson has moved into
a houseboat in Sausalito, which is a 45 minute bike ride away from me.

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