[comp.sys.amiga] Keyboard Problem

rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Rich Carreiro) (04/22/88)

Last night the (minor) unthinkable happened - the back arrow on my A1000 broke.
If pushed down it will not return back up.  

Thus the question:  where can I go to have it fixed?  Can it be fixed or do
I need a new keyboard?  Can I somehow use this to convince my mother to
spring for an A2000?  

Seriously, though - what can I do about this?

Thanks in advance,

Rich Carreiro

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thomson@utah-cs.UUCP (Richard A Thomson) (04/23/88)

In article <4790@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Rich Carreiro) writes:
>Last night the (minor) unthinkable happened - the back arrow on my A1000 broke.
>If pushed down it will not return back up.  

Try some slip spray on the key mechanism.  Remove the key kap and spray into
the mechanism with the stuff.  This should lubricate and clean the contact.
I've had several keys (a and f) on my keboard do this, only not as bad.  They
would stick for a moment and then release.  After applications of the slip
spray (try a teflon spray, or one for cleaning electrical contacts) they worked
fine.

>Rich Carreiro

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lphillips@lpami.van-bc.UUCP (Larry Phillips) (04/27/88)

In <4790@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Rich Carreiro) writes:
>Last night the (minor) unthinkable happened - the back arrow on my A1000 broke.
>If pushed down it will not return back up.  

Probably a result of either dirt causing the key to stick or the little
spring has come loose from its mounting .

>Thus the question:  where can I go to have it fixed?  Can it be fixed or do
>I need a new keyboard?  Can I somehow use this to convince my mother to
>spring for an A2000?  

If caused by dirt, use some alcohol liberally applied while working the key
up and down. If the spring has come adrift, you can remove the keyswitch
from the keyboard (by desoldering), taking it (the switch) apart, and
putting the spring back in place. This is an operation that can be best
described as 'picky', and would be difficult if not impossible to explain
in text. If you know any hardware service types who have 'been around the
block', and who would be willing to help, I'm sure they can figure it out.
Just knowing the key comes apart without being forced should be enough for
a good tech to be able to figure it out by looking at it. Other than that,
it will require either a new keyswitch or a new keyboard, or an A2000.  :)

-larry

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lishka@uwslh.UUCP (Fish-Guts) (04/28/88)

> Can onw just pull up on a key to get the keycap off??? They seem VERY tight,
> I could not for the life of me get a keycap off....HELP! :>
>
>          - Doug -
>
>  Doug_B_Erdely@Portal.Cup.Com

Yes.  I cleaned my keyboard a couple weeks ago (the only other place I
have seen more cat hair collect is on a cat!), and toyed with the idea
of pulling the caps off.  Being the adventurous (or stupid) type, I
yanked about half of the little suckers to clean the keyboard with
more ease.  It *does* work (on an old a1000, at least).

However, I question the wisdom of this, as it appears to me that the
keyboard caps would "wear out" after pulling them off so often.  Not
to mention the stress I had to put on the buttons themselves getting
some of the key caps off.  I've taken a lot of things apart, but I
think I will find a better way to clean my keyboard in the future.

Any comments from Commodore people?  Is it safe to pull the key caps
off, say, twice a year?  Is there any difference between the various
keyboards (well, *obviously* there is *some* difference, but how 'bout
in the manner the caps are stuck to the bodies of the keys?).  Anyone
out there an engineer who has designed keyboards, and if so, do you
have any advice?

					-Chris

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phils@tekigm2.TEK.COM (Philip E Staub) (04/29/88)

In article <1735@van-bc.UUCP> lphillips@lpami.van-bc.UUCP (Larry Phillips) writes:
|
|In <4790@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Rich Carreiro) writes:
|>Last night the (minor) unthinkable happened - the back arrow on my A1000 broke.
|>If pushed down it will not return back up.  
|
|Probably a result of either dirt causing the key to stick or the little
|spring has come loose from its mounting .
[...]
I have encountered yet another possibility on my ESC key: the hollow square post
coming up out of the keyswitch has a split down one side. When the keycap
is pressed down into the post, it causes it to spread. Then when the key is
pressed, it binds near the bottom of the travel. 

How did I fix it? I didn't. For now I'm living with the problem and looking
for a solution. (ESC gets used pretty frequently in EMACS 8-( ).

|-larry
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-Phil
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kim@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn) (04/30/88)

In article <325@uwslh.UUCP>, lishka@uwslh.UUCP (Fish-Guts) writes:
> 
>                                      Is it safe to pull the key caps
> off, say, twice a year?
>
>                                                                Anyone
> out there an engineer who has designed keyboards, and if so, do you
> have any advice?

Haven't designed any keyboards, but (as with any electromechanical widget),
the best advice I know of is:  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

/kim

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