richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) (05/10/88)
In article <347@mergvax.UUCP> ellis@mergvax.UUCP (Craig Ellis) writes: > > I have read a 'pre-review' of the new 1.3 WB that is to be release > in a user group new letter. In an article, it said that Adobe fonts > could be used for the screen. Is this true, CA? Dale, 1 month ago, said it was true. He seemed pretty coherant, so I'd say it's probably true. More to the point, WHICH ONES are going to be released ??? -- noalias went. it really wasn't negotiable richard@gryphon.CTS.COM rutgers!marque!gryphon!richard
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (05/10/88)
In article <3934@gryphon.CTS.COM| richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: |In article <347@mergvax.UUCP| ellis@mergvax.UUCP (Craig Ellis) writes: || || I have read a 'pre-review' of the new 1.3 WB that is to be release || in a user group new letter. In an article, it said that Adobe fonts || could be used for the screen. Is this true, CA? | |Dale, 1 month ago, said it was true. | |He seemed pretty coherant, so I'd say it's probably true. The 1.3 "Extras" disk distributed at DevCon included 3 Adobe fonts: Courier, Helvetica and Times in a number of pointsizes (like 4 to 6 for each font). The small point fonts don't look much better than the Amiga fonts, though all are proportional, so they can be used with Desktop publishing programs. -- Marco -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) (05/11/88)
Marco Papa writes: > The 1.3 "Extras" disk distributed at DevCon included 3 Adobe fonts: Courier, > Helvetica and Times in a number of pointsizes (like 4 to 6 for each font). > The small point fonts don't look much better than the Amiga fonts, though > all are proportional, so they can be used with Desktop publishing programs. I certainly hope Courier is not a proportional font. It is supposed to be fixed-width.
spencer@eris (Randal m. Spencer [RmS]) (05/11/88)
Recently on *comp.fonts* richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) wrote: ... ...More to the point, WHICH ONES are going to be released ??? ... ...richard@gryphon.CTS.COM rutgers!marque!gryphon!richard I have got the disks from the Developers conference and the fonts here are just Times Helvetica and Courier. Good start, but how about postscript support built into the system... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Randy Spencer P.O. Box 4542 Berkeley CA 94704 (415)222-7595 spencer@mica.berkeley.edu I N F I N I T Y BBS: (415)222-9416 ..ucbvax!mica!spencer s o f t w a r e AAA-WH1M -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (05/11/88)
In article <IWVpn1y00VoD06ypMd@andrew.cmu.edu| mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) writes: |Marco Papa writes: | || The 1.3 "Extras" disk distributed at DevCon included 3 Adobe fonts: Courier, || Helvetica and Times in a number of pointsizes (like 4 to 6 for each font). || The small point fonts don't look much better than the Amiga fonts, though || all are proportional, so they can be used with Desktop publishing programs. | |I certainly hope Courier is not a proportional font. It is supposed |to be fixed-width. Sorry, but I just checked with the font editor, and ALL the Adobe fonts from the Extras disk, including Courier, are proportional width. -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) (05/11/88)
In article <9006@oberon.USC.EDU> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >In article <3934@gryphon.CTS.COM| richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: >|In article <347@mergvax.UUCP| ellis@mergvax.UUCP (Craig Ellis) writes: >|| >|| I have read a 'pre-review' of the new 1.3 WB that is to be release >|| in a user group new letter. In an article, it said that Adobe fonts >|| could be used for the screen. Is this true, CA? >| >|Dale, 1 month ago, said it was true. >| >|He seemed pretty coherant, so I'd say it's probably true. > >The 1.3 "Extras" disk distributed at DevCon included 3 Adobe fonts: Courier, >Helvetica and Times in a number of pointsizes (like 4 to 6 for each font). >The small point fonts don't look much better than the Amiga fonts, though >all are proportional, so they can be used with Desktop publishing programs. Two points - 1. The 1.3 Workbench and Extras distributed at the devcon were version Gamma 7, not a release version. It is for Gamma testing by registered developers. 2. When Workbench 1.3 is released, distribution will require a new 1.3 Workbench license, which will include a separate Adobe license. No one can legally distribute the Adobe fonts without an Adobe font license. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CATS >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
kodiak@amiga.UUCP (Robert R. Burns) (05/12/88)
In article ... blah blah [do you really read the path?] ... (Marco Papa) >|| The 1.3 "Extras" disk distributed at DevCon included 3 Adobe fonts: Courier, >| >|I certainly hope Courier is not a proportional font. It is supposed >|to be fixed-width. > >Sorry, but I just checked with the font editor, and ALL the Adobe fonts from >the Extras disk, including Courier, are proportional width. > >-- Marco Papa 'Doc' The courier fonts have the proportional bit set. They are, however, monospacing -- i.e. they line up like they all have the same width. The proportional bit being set may be a bug (thanks for reporting it, gamma users: this is why you have the disks, remember). The reason my Adobe -> Amiga font conversion program set the proportional bit is because some of the characters in the font extend beyond the character advance, e.g. the 1/2 character. You cannot, then, assume that it is valid to multiply the width of the font by the number of characters in the string to be rendered to determine the area the rendering will occur in. Is it preferable to not set proportional because of this? I'm not sure. I took the conservative approach that applications that need fixed width fonts, and would thus be checking this advisory bit, would have their assumptions about what fixed-width means blown away by the Courier font. So I set the proportional bit. You may send timely arguments for not setting the bit to amiga!kodiak. If I don't post another article about it, you can assume that I didn't get any email feedback -- everyone bought this "dressing up the possible bug so it was viewed as a feature" article and was happy. - Kodiak
richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) (05/12/88)
Marco Papa Doc writes: > >Sorry, but I just checked with the font editor, and ALL the Adobe fonts from >the Extras disk, including Courier, are proportional width. Is the font flagged as proportiional or are the characters all of different widths ? If they are, wouldn't this like, be wrong ? Courier is monospaced. Thats the only reason we put up with the ugly mother :-) If it's not monospaced is this the way it normally comes from Adobe ? This seems a little odd. -- noalias went. it really wasn't negotiable richard@gryphon.CTS.COM rutgers!marque!gryphon!richard
doug-merritt@cup.portal.com (05/12/88)
I assume that Commodore hasn't set the price on the 1.3 Adobe font
license yet. But we can guess based on: does anyone know how much
Adobe charges for a font license? Are there different charges for
different applications (e.g. laser printer versus display etc)?
Doug
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or ucbvax!unisoft!certes!dougpapa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (05/12/88)
In article <3964@gryphon.CTS.COM| richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: |Marco Papa Doc writes: || ||Sorry, but I just checked with the font editor, and ALL the Adobe fonts from ||the Extras disk, including Courier, are proportional width. |Is the font flagged as proportiional or are the characters all of |different widths ? |If they are, wouldn't this like, be wrong ? Courier is monospaced. |Thats the only reason we put up with the ugly mother :-) |If it's not monospaced is this the way it normally comes from Adobe ? |This seems a little odd. The Font Editor shows the characters in a box of different size for each character and the "width" gadget at the bottom shows different width values. I don't have the sources for FED, so I don't know whether it is because of the bit Kodiak was talking about, but it sure looks strange. I don't have SetFont so if anybody wants to try that and see what happens, we'd appreciate to find out. -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) (05/17/88)
In article <5362@cup.portal.com> doug-merritt@cup.portal.com writes: >I assume that Commodore hasn't set the price on the 1.3 Adobe font >license yet... I believe we will be able to keep the cost of a one year Workbench & Adobe license the same as the current cost for a Workbench license alone - i.e. $100/year. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CATS >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (05/18/88)
In article <3785@cbmvax.UUCP>, carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP writes: > I believe we will be able to keep the cost of a one year Workbench & Adobe > license the same as the current cost for a Workbench license alone - i.e. > $100/year. Gee... I paid less than $20 for my copy of 1.2 (A5210 Amiga Enhancer Software). Does this mean 1.3 is going to be pricey? Just what does this mean? -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- "Have you hugged your U wolf today?" ...!bellcore!tness1!sugar!peter -- Disclaimer: These may be the official opinions of Hackercorp.
schein@cbmvax.UUCP (Dan Schein CATS) (05/19/88)
In article <2018@sugar.UUCP> peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <3785@cbmvax.UUCP>, carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP writes: >> I believe we will be able to keep the cost of a one year Workbench & Adobe >> license the same as the current cost for a Workbench license alone - i.e. >> $100/year. > >Gee... I paid less than $20 for my copy of 1.2 (A5210 Amiga Enhancer Software). > >Does this mean 1.3 is going to be pricey? > >Just what does this mean? Peter, Peter, Peter..... Carolyn was saying that a "Workbench License" should be $100 - you paid $20 for a V1.2 Enhancer Kit not a license :-) The license allows a the holder of said license to legaly sell there product on a Workbench (installed) disk. If someone is selling (or even giving) disks away that are bootable and they do not have a valid Workbench License, then there in the wrong :-) Im sure the new V1.3 Enhancer Kit will be much less than $100. Maybe even as low as @#*&#@&^% (Darn line noise :-) >-- >-- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- Dan "Sneakers" Schein uucp: {ihnp4|allegra|burdvax|rutgers}!cbmvax!sneakers Commodore AMIGA ARPANET: cbmvax!sneakers@uunet.uu.net 1200 Wilson Drive Bix: dschein Plink: Dan*CATS West Chester PA 19380 phone: (215) 431-9100 ext. 9542 +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Call BERKS AMIGA BBS - 24 Hrs - 3/12/2400 Baud - 40Meg - 215/678-7691 +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Quote: Those who worked the hardest Gary Ward - Oklahoma State are the last to surrender baseball coach
hrlaser@pnet02.UUCP (05/20/88)
schein@cbmvax.UUCP (Dan Schein CATS) writes: > Im sure the new V1.3 Enhancer Kit will be much less than $100. Maybe even as > low as @#*&#@&^% (Darn line noise :-) Well let's see here.... 1.0 cost me $1295. Had to buy an A1000 at full retail price (no one was discounting them in October 1985) to get it. 1.1 cost me $0.00. Was handed out to Amiga owners for free by dealers. (remember the brown corrugated cardboard box?) 1.2 cost me $10.00. Retail was $15.00. I bought it through a mail-order software discount house. 1.3 will cost me "as low as @#*&#@&^%." Hey, that sounds fairly reasonable! Just so long as it doesn't cost me as much as 1.0 did!! ;-) Harv Laser, Sysop, The People/Link AmigaZone. Plink: CBM*HARV UUCP: {ihnp4!scgvaxd!cadovax, rutgers!marque}!gryphon!pnet02!hrlaser INET: hrlaser@pnet02.cts.com
carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) (05/24/88)
In article <3821@cbmvax.UUCP> schein@cbmvax.UUCP (Dan Schein CATS) writes: > > ...If someone is selling (or even giving) disks > away that are bootable and they do not have a valid Workbench License, then > there in the wrong :-) Just a quick clarification. Distributing bootable disks is OK without a Workbench license. The following items may be distributed on a disk without requiring a Workbench license: s/startup-sequence \ devs/mountlist > All are program-created devs/system-configuration / CBM boot block code (as installed by the Install command) Distribution of anything else on Workbench requires a Workbench license. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CATS >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=