nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) (09/30/85)
> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 85 13:49:29 BST > From: lkt@ukc.UUCP > To: nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP > Hi here! > The following appeared in one of Daily papers here: > Date: 26 sept > CONGRATULATIONS... > ...to sultry Kate Bush whose comeback album *Hounds of > Love*, has shot straight into the charts at No.1. > If you havent heard it yet, rush out and buy a copy... > Its by far the *classiest* album of the year so far. That's right, KB's new album "Hounds of Love" has *entered* the British charts at NUMBER ONE, knocking Madonna (insert many side remarks here) out of that position, which she only held for one week with "Like Perversion". This is the second time that Kate Bush has had an album enter at number one. Five years ago, "Never for Ever" also entered the British charts at number one. At that time she was the only woman ever to have a number one album in England. In any case, I guess it just goes to show, that every now and then quality does prevail. Too bad it happens so rarely. "Now is the place where the crossroads meet Will you look into the future" Doug Alan nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (or ARPA)
evan@petfe.UUCP (Evan Marcus) (10/03/85)
Well, I have stayed blissfully away from any sort of KB discussion,
until now. I just want to express my condolences to Doug Alan and
all the Kate Bushers. Now that she has a #1 album, it's only a
matter of time until tickets to her concerts (she DOES perform, right?)
become hard to get (viz. Bruce Springsteen, Dire Straits, Phil
Collins), or she starts to become very accessible, and mundane
(viz lots of people). I must admit to having never heard her music,
but, s--t, now that she has a number 1 album in the UK, I'll
have to wait on line overnight to get tickets to see her.
Or is she just going to become another Richard Clayderman?
--Evan Marcus
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Member FSLIC.rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (10/04/85)
> Well, I have stayed blissfully away from any sort of KB discussion, > until now. I just want to express my condolences to Doug Alan and > all the Kate Bushers. Now that she has a #1 album, it's only a > matter of time until tickets to her concerts (she DOES perform, right?) > become hard to get (viz. Bruce Springsteen, Dire Straits, Phil > Collins), or she starts to become very accessible, and mundane > (viz lots of people). I must admit to having never heard her music, > but, s--t, now that she has a number 1 album in the UK, I'll > have to wait on line overnight to get tickets to see her. I wouldn't worry, Evan. Americans are usually at least a year behind what's going on elsewhere in the world. It takes time for American marketing analysts to figure out how to push a product, develop tie-ins, promote the sucker in a way that's "acceptable" to the American market. Only then will the sheep who make up most of the American audience pay attention. -- Anything's possible, but only a few things actually happen. Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr
nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) (10/07/85)
> From: evan@petfe.UUCP (Evan Marcus) > I just want to express my condolences to Doug Alan and all the Kate > Bushers. Now that she has a #1 album, it's only a matter of time > until tickets to her concerts (she DOES perform, right?) Actually, not. She hasn't done a concert since 1979! > become hard to get (viz. Bruce Springsteen, Dire Straits, Phil > Collins), Back then she sold out every show and she never came to the U.S., so things couldn't get much more difficult. (Can you buy tickets for shows in England through Ticketron?) > or she starts to become very accessible, and mundane > (viz lots of people). She's been a big star throughout Europe since her first single in 78 and hasn't done that yet.... > I must admit to having never heard her music, but, s--t, now that she > has a number 1 album in the UK, I'll have to wait on line overnight to > get tickets to see her. Actually, this is her second number one album and all five of her albums were in the British top ten. In the U.S., though, none of her albums have ever risen any higher than "Dark Side Of The Moon" is right now.... > Or is she just going to become another Richard Clayderman? Who is Richard Clayderman? ..... [A long pause as Doug's memory cells click away furiously....] Hey, that was a pretty subtle allusion! There's an article on Richard Clayderman in the same issue of Keyboard magazine of which Kate Bush appears on the cover.... "The Julio Iglesias of the piano...." Evan, give me a break, please! > From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) > I wouldn't worry, Evan. Americans are usually at least a year behind > what's going on elsewhere in the world. In this case eight years! > It takes time for American marketing analysts to figure out how to > push a product, develop tie-ins, promote the sucker in a way that's > "acceptable" to the American market. Hey, they are already working on it! The album was released in the U.S. on colored "marbleized" vinyl. (The sticker on "The Dreaming" that said 'As seen on MTV' (Right! About twice, maybe!) didn't seem to do a whole lot of good, though.) What's really scary is that she's suddenly become a *huge* success in Boston! "Running Up That Hill" has been the number one song for a month on the commercial radio station I listen to sometimes (WFNX). It became the number one video within a week of appearing on WVJV, the music video TV station around here. They are playing it all over the stupid AOR station and the even worse disco radio station. I've seen TV commercials for "Hounds of Love"! I've seen TV commercials that use the music for "Running Up That Hill" as the background music! I saw a half-page ad for "Hounds of Love" in a newspaper with the slogan "A Rising Star"! The pop record chain store around here is having a special sale where they stay open past midnight for a week and "Hounds of Love" is their featured album! They even mentioned Kate Bush on Entertainment Tonight! I'm starting to get worried! "And dream of sheep" Doug Alan nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (or ARPA) P.S. Then again, Boston might not be very representative of the U.S. in general. Tickets for The Cure went on sale here a few days ago, and there was already a line forming by 5PM the night before they did....
lp102911@sjuvax.UUCP (palena) (10/08/85)
In article <5410@mit-eddie.UUCP> nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) writes: >> ...to sultry Kate Bush whose comeback album *Hounds of >> Love*, has shot straight into the charts at No.1. > > >That's right, KB's new album "Hounds of Love" has *entered* the British >charts at NUMBER ONE, knocking Madonna (insert many side remarks here) >out of that position, which she only held for one week with "Like >Perversion". > > >In any case, I guess it just goes to show, that every now and then >quality does prevail. Too bad it happens so rarely. I find the statement "quality does prevail" to be ridiculous in this context.So this woman outsold Madonna.The same people who put Madonna's album at the top of the charts put this "Hounds of Love" (that title just reeks of intelligence) up there,and you've got your nerve saying that quality has pre- vailed.Nothing new or interesting has prevailed.The people who stretched their minds with "Like A Virgin",in search of a "new experience" have bought this album and made it popular.In a month when their profound musical appetites seek new quenching somebody else will take that coveted #1 position.Compare this to "Dark Side of the Moon" which has been on the charts for almost a decade. Quality prevails,all right.But in people's minds,not on re- cord charts. Larry Palena {astrovax|allegra|bpa|burdvax} !sjuvax!lp102911
barth@tellab1.UUCP (Barth Richards) (10/09/85)
In article <21@mit-eddie.UUCP> nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) writes: >What's really scary is that she's suddenly become a *huge* success in >Boston! "Running Up That Hill" has been the number one song for a month >on the commercial radio station I listen to sometimes (WFNX). It became >the number one video within a week of appearing on WVJV, the music video >TV station around here. They are playing it all over the stupid AOR >station and the even worse disco radio station. I've seen TV >commercials for "Hounds of Love"! I've seen TV commercials that use the >music for "Running Up That Hill" as the background music! I saw a >half-page ad for "Hounds of Love" in a newspaper with the slogan "A >Rising Star"! The pop record chain store around here is having a >special sale where they stay open past midnight for a week and "Hounds >of Love" is their featured album! They even mentioned Kate Bush on >Entertainment Tonight! > >I'm starting to get worried! > > >P.S. Then again, Boston might not be very representative of the U.S. in >general. INDEED! Any major city in which The Dark can have a top ten single (JUDY, at least that's what I was told) can't be terriblly typical. BTW, what are The Dark doing now. The last I heard from them was the DON'T FEED THE FASHION SHARKS ep. Barth Richards Tellabs, Inc. Lisle, IL "If God's up there, we're his excrement." -Ron Geesin
nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) (10/13/85)
[Another school year begins and another bunch of twits appear on the net....] > From: Larry Palena > I find the statement "quality does prevail" to be ridiculous in > this context. So this woman outsold Madonna. The same people > who put Madonna's album at the top of the charts put this "Hounds > of Love" And what makes you think that the same people that buy Madonna albums buy Kate Bush albums? I'd say the intersection is relatively small considering that Kate Bush does wonderful intelligent art rock and Madonna does awful mindless insulting formula pop dreck. Would you say that the same people that put Pink Floyd on the charts put Madonna on the charts? Oh, by the way, Pink Floyd are my second favorite artists, and they are one of Kate Bush's biggest influences. David Gilmour got Kate Bush her record contract, and one of Kate Bush's songs was recorded at David Gilmour's home. > (that title just reeks of intelligence) Go ahead, malign something you clearly haven't listened to! (And probably couldn't understand, anyway.) Advertize your ignorance, stupidity, and close-mindedness for all the net to see. "We don't need no education" -- those words just reek of intelligence, right? Well if you listen to the song they do, and so does everything Kate Bush does. These are some lyrics by the person you are maligning: In Malta, catch a swallow For all of the guilty to set them free Wings fill the window, and they beat and bleed They hold the sky on the other side Of borderlines > up there,and you've got your nerve saying that quality has > prevailed. Nothing new or interesting has prevailed. The people > who stretched their minds with "Like A Virgin",in search of a "new > experience" have bought this album and made it popular. And *you* have a lot of nerve talking about things of which you know naught! Go climb back into your hole! > In a month when their profound musical appetites seek new quenching > somebody else will take that coveted #1 position. I'm sure you are right that Kate Bush will not hold the number one position for long. The pattern of her record sales is just like of Peter Gabriel. For both, their records enter into the British charts very high, because their dedicated fans, who have had the release date marked on their calenders for weeks in advance, rush out and buy the album on the first day. Then, because their albums have relatively little pop appeal, drop very quickly out of the charts and settle to a low but consistent position which will gurantee that their albums will never go out of print. For someone like Madonna, on the other hand, who sells records to kids who like the sugar-coated crap they hear on the radio, the record rises in the British charts slowly, then drops out slowly. And in a couple of years is totally forgotten (thank goodness!). > Compare this to "Dark Side of the Moon" which has been on the charts > for almost a decade. Yeah, I guess this just proves your point that anything in the charts is bought by Madonna fans. Sometimes Pink Floyd fans, Beatle fans, etc., really annoy me. It's like music ended with them or something. Good new music is being made all the time -- you just gotta look and listen for it. But clearly you've made up your mind already and have closed your ears. "Narrow mind would perscute it Die a little to get to it" Doug Alan nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (or ARPA)
lp102911@sjuvax.UUCP (palena) (10/15/85)
In article <76@mit-eddie.UUCP> nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) writes: >[Another school year begins and another bunch of twits appear on the net....] ...who don't even compare to the bunch of twits who've read the user introduction and know it's a no-no to insult someone across the net because you don't agree with their posting... (Why am I constantly using "..."'s ??) > >> From: Larry Palena > >> I find the statement "quality does prevail" to be ridiculous in >> this context. So this woman outsold Madonna. The same people >> who put Madonna's album at the top of the charts put this "Hounds >> of Love" > >And what makes you think that the same people that buy Madonna albums >buy Kate Bush albums? I'd say the intersection is relatively small ... (here we go again) because you remind me of a good deal of the Madonna fans I know...(off into the sunset) >considering that Kate Bush does wonderful intelligent art rock and >Madonna does awful mindless insulting formula pop dreck. > .. ahhhh,art rock... >Would you say that the same people that put Pink Floyd on the charts put >Madonna on the charts? Oh, by the way, Pink Floyd are my second >favorite artists, and they are one of Kate Bush's biggest influences. >David Gilmour got Kate Bush her record contract, and one of Kate Bush's >songs was recorded at David Gilmour's home. > ...and I don't even like the band that much.I just used that album as an example of good work that retains its value for quite some time.Led Zeppelin IV would've been an equally good example. I don't care if Kate Bush holds orgies at David Gilmour's home, and don't care to speculate what she'd do at Page's house... >> (that title just reeks of intelligence) > >Go ahead, malign something you clearly haven't listened to! (And >probably couldn't understand, anyway.) Advertize your ignorance, >stupidity, and close-mindedness for all the net to see. "We don't need >no education" -- those words just reek of intelligence, right? > >Well if you listen to the song they do, and so does everything Kate Bush >does. These are some lyrics by the person you are maligning: > > In Malta, catch a swallow > For all of the guilty to set them free > Wings fill the window, and they beat and bleed > They hold the sky on the other side > Of borderlines > ...this sounds like a piece of verse that a friend of mine handed in as a creative writing assignment in senior year of high- school.Any copyright lawyers out there ??!!... > >> up there,and you've got your nerve saying that quality has >> prevailed. Nothing new or interesting has prevailed. The people >> who stretched their minds with "Like A Virgin",in search of a "new >> experience" have bought this album and made it popular. > >And *you* have a lot of nerve talking about things of which you know >naught! Go climb back into your hole! > >> In a month when their profound musical appetites seek new quenching >> somebody else will take that coveted #1 position. > >I'm sure you are right that Kate Bush will not hold the number one >position for long. The pattern of her record sales is just like of >Peter Gabriel. For both, their records enter into the British charts >very high, because their dedicated fans, who have had the release date >marked on their calenders for weeks in advance, rush out and buy the >album on the first day. Then, because their albums have relatively >little pop appeal, drop very quickly out of the charts and settle to a >low but consistent position which will gurantee that their albums will >never go out of print. > ...so I stand corrected on this point.I assumed that British record buying habits are like those in this country.I dare anyone to tell me that a good deal of the people who put Michael Jackson on top of the charts in this country didn't do the same for Madonna and won't do the same for Paul-Robert Gilevsky,or whoever takes #1 next.The point you make is that Bush's loyal fans,by buying the album in droves,pushed it to the top of the charts.So your article can be summarized thus; "Lot's of Kate Bush's loyal fans in the U.K. bought so many copies of her new album that it reached #1." to which I reply "Who (besides,of course Kate Bush's loyal fans in England) the hell cares?"dot dot dot >For someone like Madonna, on the other hand, who sells records to kids >who like the sugar-coated crap they hear on the radio, the record rises >in the British charts slowly, then drops out slowly. And in a couple of >years is totally forgotten (thank goodness!). > >> Compare this to "Dark Side of the Moon" which has been on the charts >> for almost a decade. > >Yeah, I guess this just proves your point that anything in the charts is >bought by Madonna fans. > >Sometimes Pink Floyd fans, Beatle fans, etc., really annoy me. It's like >music ended with them or something. Good new music is being made all >the time -- you just gotta look and listen for it. But clearly you've >made up your mind already and have closed your ears. > ...(this is the killer folks) all I've made my mind up about is that you are an ignorant net-hog who seems to think that I've got nothing better to do than 'n' my way past articles about Kate Bush. I don't recall ever comparing good music to good wine... > "Narrow mind would perscute it > Die a little to get to it" > > Doug Alan > nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (or ARPA) To which Husker Du replies, "Your daydreams aren't forever, better get your shit together..." Larry Palena, St.Joseph's Univ. { astrovax | allegra | bpa | burdvax } !sjuvax!lp102911 (P.S. if you denounce me as a twit once more I'll make the seven hour car trip to Boston and hit you over the head with a monitor.)
nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) (10/19/85)
> From: Larry Palena >> And what makes you think that the same people that buy Madonna albums >> buy Kate Bush albums? I'd say the intersection is relatively small > ... (here we go again) because you remind me of a good > deal of the Madonna fans I know...(off into the sunset) The Madonna fans you know go on and on about how Madonna is the greatest evil since Gerry Falwell and Ronnie Raygun??? They're big fans of Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, Fred Frith, Peter Gabriel, Laurie Anderson, Robyn Hitchcock, Suzanne Vega, and artrock in general? They must be pretty strange.... > ...and I don't even like the band that much.I just used that > album as an example of good work that retains its value for quite > some time. And if Kate Bush albums don't retain their value for quite some time, why did they put her 1977 and 1978 albums on CD? And why were her 1978 and 1980 albums finally released for the first time in the U.S. in 1984? > ...this sounds like a piece of verse that a friend of mine > handed in as a creative writing assignment in senior year of high- > school. He must be a damned good poet then! Why don't you send me some of his work? > To which Husker Du replies, > "Your daydreams aren't forever, > better get your shit together..." Too bad you tarnish such a good group by association.... "We all have a dream, maybe" Doug Alan nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (or ARPA)
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (10/23/85)
>>And what makes you think that the same people that buy Madonna albums >>buy Kate Bush albums? I'd say the intersection is relatively small [NESSUS] > ... (here we go again) because you remind me of a good > deal of the Madonna fans I know...(off into the sunset) [PALENA] >>considering that Kate Bush does wonderful intelligent art rock and >>Madonna does awful mindless insulting formula pop dreck. > .. ahhhh,art rock... > I don't care if Kate Bush holds orgies at David Gilmour's home, > and don't care to speculate what she'd do at Page's house... > (that title just reeks of intelligence) >> In Malta, catch a swallow >> For all of the guilty to set them free >> Wings fill the window, and they beat and bleed >> They hold the sky on the other side >> Of borderlines > ...this sounds like a piece of verse that a friend of mine > handed in as a creative writing assignment in senior year of high- > school.Any copyright lawyers out there ??!!... > ...(this is the killer folks) all I've made my mind up about is > that you are an ignorant net-hog who seems to think that I've got > nothing better to do than 'n' my way past articles about Kate Bush. Has anyone figured out what Palena's problem is? Did anything he said here make any sense? Copyright lawyers? "Ahh, art rock"? Given that Palena's opinions on Led Zeppelin as god have been no different from Doug Alan's opinions about Kate Bush in the same role, what's the point? Must he tar everything he doesn't like, while whining about how a criticism of a mediocre performance by his "idols" is some sort of vicious attack? Go back to putting your headphones on and listening to Kashmir with the lights out if this is what you have to offer. (I wonder what the group would be like if Palena had his way and posted only Zeppelin articles to this newsgroup [instead of "only" Bush articles]...) -- "There! I've run rings 'round you logically!" "Oh, intercourse the penguin!" Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr
lp102911@sjuvax.UUCP (palena) (10/23/85)
In article <136@mit-eddie.UUCP> nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP writes: > >> ...this sounds like a piece of verse that a friend of mine >> handed in as a creative writing assignment in senior year of high- >> school. > >He must be a damned good poet then! Why don't you send me some of his work? > ...because he only got a D+ in the course and is now a gas station attendant somewhere along Route 1... >> To which Husker Du replies, > >> "Your daydreams aren't forever, >> better get your shit together..." > >Too bad you tarnish such a good group by association.... > ...how does one tarnish the reputation of a band that throws chairs!!?? Perhaps by having them throw a few at Kate Bush?? That last line really pisses me off;Here I figured I'd finally found a band that my parents and neighbors categorically hated and here (on net.music of all places) I'm accused of tarnishing their reputation!!!... "When will it end.." You know my name why bother with the damned signature > "We all have a dream, maybe" > > Doug Alan > nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (or ARPA)