peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (06/01/88)
We (me personally, in particular, and Sugarland UNIX, in general) are interested in taking over comp.sources.amiga. I don't know if we should be taking on comp.binaries.amiga as well... there's a limit to our philanthropy. We will get a direct connect to uunet if this goes through. This should give us the connectivity we need. We will attempt to avoid a bottleneck. I'm sure the current moderators are doing the best job they can, but multiple month delays are just getting too much. Comments, flames, etc...? -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- "Have you hugged your U wolf today?" ...!bellcore!tness1!sugar!peter -- Disclaimer: These may be the official opinions of Hackercorp.
page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) (06/01/88)
peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) wrote: >We (me personally, in particular, and Sugarland UNIX, in general) are >interested in taking over comp.sources.amiga. It is currently moderated; the moderators are doing a fair job and have not expressed any interest in handing it off. Or are you looking for a forced takeover? ..Bob -- Bob Page, U of Lowell CS Dept. page@swan.ulowell.edu ulowell!page Go Celts! Go Bruins!
rusty@hocpa.UUCP (M.W.HADDOCK) (06/02/88)
In article <7347@swan.ulowell.edu> page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: >peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) wrote: >>We (me personally, in particular, and Sugarland UNIX, in general) are >>interested in taking over comp.sources.amiga. > >It is currently moderated; the moderators are doing a fair job and >have not expressed any interest in handing it off. Or are you looking >for a forced takeover? > And I can't FTP to sugar.UUCP when the local newsfeed screws up and I miss the middle 6 postings of an 18-part program. True, quicker turnaround from the mod's would be nice but I'm not too hot about the idea of the archives being stashed on a machine that's not FTP'able. No offense Peter. -Rusty- -- Rusty Haddock {uunet!likewise,cbosgd,rutgers!mtune}!hocpa!rusty AT&T Consumer Products Laboratories - Human Factors Laboratory Holmdel, New Joyzey 07733 (201) 834-1023 rusty@hocpa.att.com
peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (06/03/88)
In article <7347@swan.ulowell.edu>, page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: > peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) wrote: > >We (me personally, in particular, and Sugarland UNIX, in general) are > >interested in taking over comp.sources.amiga. > It is currently moderated; the moderators are doing a fair job and > have not expressed any interest in handing it off. Or are you looking > for a forced takeover? Basically I'm looking for feedback on the idea. The current moderators seem to be heavily overworked... for example, there is a pretty long lead-time (on the order of months) between the time something's sent in and the time it shows up... and could at least do with some help. I know we're not the only ones dis-satisfied with the current situation. I don't know if it's going to improve any time soon. I'd be just as happy to let them keep doing the job... it's not likely to be cheap... but they don't seem to be able to. -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- "Have you hugged your U wolf today?" ...!bellcore!tness1!sugar!peter -- Disclaimer: These may be the official opinions of Hackercorp.
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (06/03/88)
In article <2065@sugar.UUCP>, peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes: > We (me personally, in particular, and Sugarland UNIX, in general) are > interested in taking over comp.sources.amiga. This would really be great. I understand the problems with delays are the result of limitations at Purdue, not the moderators. They are trying to do the best job they can within the limits of their system but I think we need someone who can get source out to the net quicker. I hope the current moderators agree. > I don't know if we should be taking on comp.binaries.amiga as well... > there's a limit to our philanthropy. If you can handle comp.binaries.amiga that's fine. However, I don't consider binaries nearly as important as source. You can't learn anything about programming the Amiga from binaries. > We will get a direct connect to uunet if this goes through. That should really speed things up. I think it would solve the problem with propagation of source. --Fabbian Dufoe 350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South St. Petersburg, Florida 33705 813-823-2350 UUCP: ...gatech!codas!usfvax2!jc3b21!fgd3
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (06/03/88)
In article <7347@swan.ulowell.edu>, page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: > peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) wrote: > >We (me personally, in particular, and Sugarland UNIX, in general) are > >interested in taking over comp.sources.amiga. > > It is currently moderated; the moderators are doing a fair job and > have not expressed any interest in handing it off. Or are you looking > for a forced takeover? The moderators are doing a fine job within the limitations they have to accept. However, it takes a long time to get a program posted on comp.sources.amiga because of the delays at Purdue. If Peter can reduce the delay to something more reasonable I suspect the current moderators would be willing to hand it over to him. At least I would hope they place the interests of the net above whatever gratification they get from being moderators. From what I've heard moderating a newsgroup is a lot of work. Craig and the others might be glad to have someone offer to take it off their hands. Let's hear what they have to say. --Fabbian Dufoe 350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South St. Petersburg, Florida 33705 813-823-2350 UUCP: ...gatech!codas!usfvax2!jc3b21!fgd3
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (06/03/88)
In article <326@hocpa.UUCP>, rusty@hocpa.UUCP (M.W.HADDOCK) writes: > And I can't FTP to sugar.UUCP when the local newsfeed screws up > and I miss the middle 6 postings of an 18-part program. > > True, quicker turnaround from the mod's would be nice but I'm not too > hot about the idea of the archives being stashed on a machine that's not > FTP'able. No offense Peter. Wouldn't this problem be solved if Peter moderated comp.sources.amiga and the current moderators at Purdue maintained the archives? It might be desirable to have a method for getting the sources directly to Purdue so they won't have the problem you discussed. Would you care who did the moderating so long as the archives were available to you? I recognize you might be concerned that some things posted to the newsgroup might not make it into the archives if they are in different places. However, I don't think that's too difficult a problem to overcome. Surely Peter and Craig can come up with a reliable system for handling the archives. --Fabbian Dufoe 350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South St. Petersburg, Florida 33705 813-823-2350 UUCP: ...gatech!codas!usfvax2!jc3b21!fgd3
rsk@s.cc.purdue.edu (Wombat) (06/03/88)
In article <407@jc3b21.UUCP> fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) writes: >This would really be great. I understand the problems with delays are the >result of limitations at Purdue, not the moderators. They are trying to do >the best job they can within the limits of their system but I think we need >someone who can get source out to the net quicker. Not quite true, and I should know: I'm the news administrator for the machines that the moderators use. It is true that there were some initial difficulties in getting the moderated group(s) working here; these were due to incompatibilities between the way news 2.11 handles moderated groups and the way our local code restricting posting access to Usenet works. The time it took to resolve those difficulties (and the resultant delay in getting the group started) is my responsibility. However, it has been quite some time since this took place. Since then, the only "limitation" that's been placed on them (and frankly, I don't consider this a limitation at all) is that I've asked them to even out the "bursty" flow of traffic in the amiga groups. To explain: we do not have any direct UUCP connections at PUCC, and rely on our on-campus neighbors for our Usenet connectivity. It seems to make life somewhat easier for them if large source/binary postings are spread out over a period of hours/days rather than sent in huge multi-hundred-kbyte chunks with large gaps between them. So, I've asked the moderators of the amiga groups to try to smooth the traffic flow a bit when possible; this doesn't mean that I've asked them to slow down the groups. Additionally, since this is quite easy to do (via "at" and other mechanisms), I don't consider this an impairment of the group's functionality. Have any of you tried mailing a note suggesting these improvement to the moderators themselves? Sometimes a well-phrased polite note can bring about the changes desired without too much trouble... -- Rich Kulawiec, rsk@s.cc.purdue.edu, s.cc.purdue.edu!rsk PUCC Unix Staff
page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) (06/04/88)
I suggest a different approach to moderation: Push all sources out as soon as you know you have a complete distribution. Don't compile it, don't test it, etc. In other words, the moderator just filters out people talking in the newsgroup. On the other hand, the binaries group should be heavily moderated, like it is now, to guard against viruses, etc. Comments, moderators? ..Bob -- Bob Page, U of Lowell CS Dept. page@swan.ulowell.edu ulowell!page
elg@killer.UUCP (Eric Green) (06/04/88)
in article <7347@swan.ulowell.edu>, page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) says: > peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) wrote: >>We (me personally, in particular, and Sugarland UNIX, in general) are >>interested in taking over comp.sources.amiga. > > It is currently moderated; the moderators are doing a fair job and > have not expressed any interest in handing it off. Or are you looking > for a forced takeover? I think he was going for the forced takeover :-). But, seriously, the above was probably posted before comp.sources.amiga came back to life (after an unexplained 2-month hiatus). Sugarland's current connections are, let us say, less than timely (although he said comp.sources.amiga would be sent straight to UUNET, as timely as USENET can get). -- Eric Lee Green {cuae2,ihnp4}!killer!elg Snail Mail P.O. Box 92191 Lafayette, LA 70509 "Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse?"
erict@flatline.UUCP (eric townsend) (06/05/88)
In article <326@hocpa.UUCP>, rusty@hocpa.UUCP (M.W.HADDOCK) writes: > And I can't FTP to sugar.UUCP when the local newsfeed screws up > and I miss the middle 6 postings of an 18-part program. I can't FTP to anybody if the newsfeed blows up, and I would bet that a large percentage of the net relies mostly upon newsfeed to get the sources... > True, quicker turnaround from the mod's would be nice but I'm not too > hot about the idea of the archives being stashed on a machine that's not > FTP'able. No offense Peter. Ha. No machine is FTP'able from any of the public access sites in Houston... -- Know Future "Upgrade to 3.5+, you bozo." is not a valid reply to my 3b1 questions. :-) J. Eric Townsend ->uunet!nuchat!flatline!erict smail:511Parker#2,Hstn,Tx,77007 ..!bellcore!tness1!/
ain@s.cc.purdue.edu (Patrick White) (06/06/88)
In article <326@hocpa.UUCP> rusty@hocpa.att.com (91341-M.W.HADDOCK) writes: >In article <7347@swan.ulowell.edu> page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: >>peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) wrote: >>>We (me personally, in particular, and Sugarland UNIX, in general) are >>>interested in taking over comp.sources.amiga. >> >>It is currently moderated; the moderators are doing a fair job and >>have not expressed any interest in handing it off. Or are you looking >>for a forced takeover? >> >And I can't FTP to sugar.UUCP when the local newsfeed screws up >and I miss the middle 6 postings of an 18-part program. I'm still trying to hash out with Peter about whether he really wants to take over or not -- hopefully my email has reached you Peter (it bounced the first time). But to all you netters, I have offered to maintain a set of archives here (provided the system people here will let me), so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. The question is whether Peter really wants to take over -- I'm not sure he is really aware of how much time he is taking about... anyway, we will hash it out between ourselves and keep you all informed. -- Pat White (co-moderator comp.sources/binaries.amiga) ARPA/UUCP: j.cc.purdue.edu!ain BITNET: PATWHITE@PURCCVM PHONE: (317) 743-8421 U.S. Mail: 320 Brown St. apt. 406, West Lafayette, IN 47906 [How do you get to heaven? Go to Pluto and hang a left.]
peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (06/12/88)
In article ... kent@xanth.cs.odu.edu (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: > [Re: Peter taking over moderation of comp.sources.amiga] I have been ignoring the various flames on this subject, waiting for the noise to die down, but I have to respond to this... > Please don't! Your system has had both email and news messed up > within the last couple of weeks. Our system has not had any problems with mail or news. The problems have been in the upstream system, run by a guy who basically doesn't have the resources to support it. We have since cut him out of the news loop altogether, and will also be connecting to uunet for comp.*.amiga and mail whether or not this goes through. We are also upgrading sugar with a new '386 system. > The last thing we need is another > cause of delay in the sources postings. Wait until you have actually > operated a stable, working system for six months, then come back and > talk again. *WE* have operated a stable, working, system for much longer than that, Kent. It just took this many outages to convince various administrators to feed us directly. > The recent note I forwarded for you to news.config says > it all. Yes, the recent note asking for some unknown *other* system to fix their map, which you sent because the system next to ours (who is now out of the loop) was dead. -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- "Have you hugged your U wolf today?" ...!bellcore!tness1!sugar!peter -- Disclaimer: These may be the official opinions of Hackercorp.
mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) (06/13/88)
> *Excerpts from ext.nn.comp.sys.amiga: 4-Jun-88 Re: Moderating comp.sources..* > *eric townsend@flatline.U (838)* > I can't FTP to anybody if the newsfeed blows up, and I would bet that > a large percentage of the net relies mostly upon newsfeed to get the > sources... > Ha. No machine is FTP'able from any of the public access sites in Houston... What you are saying is basically "If I can't have FTP access from the machine I use, then who cares if anyone else has it too." While I have sympathy for your predicament, whether or not everyone has access to the Internet is not an argument against having the sources/binaries groups distributed from a machine that does have access to the Internet. If you lose part k of an n-part submission, simply post a message asking for someone to mail it to you. Your situation will not change if the archives are moved to a non-internet machine, but it will introduce an inconvenience for many people. --M Michael Portuesi / Information Technology Center / Carnegie Mellon University ARPA/UUCP: mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu BITNET: rainwalker@drycas "if you ain't ill it'll fix your car"
ain@s.cc.purdue.edu (Patrick White) (06/14/88)
I have finally established mail contact with Peter (at least I hope my letter get through).. in which I told Peter that I would be willing to maintain the archives here -- so all this discussion about loosing access to the archives is irrelevant since, at worst, Peter will start-up some archives where he is in addition to the ones that will stay here. As for Peter taking over the moderation, that decision is really his to make since he is the one that will have to do the work. -- Pat White (co-moderator comp.sources/binaries.amiga) ARPA/UUCP: j.cc.purdue.edu!ain BITNET: PATWHITE@PURCCVM PHONE: (317) 743-8421 U.S. Mail: 320 Brown St. apt. 406, West Lafayette, IN 47906 [How do you get to heaven? Go to Pluto and hang a left.]