richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) (06/10/88)
In article <2267@antique.UUCP> vax135!cjp (Charles Poirier) writes: >In article <4380@killer.UUCP> woodsb@killer.UUCP (Brent L. Woods) writes: >>In article <5269@dayton.UUCP> joe@dayton.UUCP (Joseph P. Larson) writes: >>> >>>the moderators would like to post them to .binaries? >> >>We came to the conclusion that, yes, we would be willing to >>post picture files ... , but we couldn't justify archive space for them. > >Hi, it's me, being negative again. Pictures are not worth archiving at >even the one site that people count on for archives, but they *are* >worth spending several hundred hours of Usenet phone time per picture >to transmit around the world? (And they're not even naughty? :-)) Oh >my aching backbone! I've gotta agree with Charles on this one. As much as I like to see the free flow of free information, the volume volume volume we are talking about here is staggering. Put them on a commercial network where you get some idea of the real cost. Become the "Fred Fish of pictures". Become a central distribution point; distribute to user groups. But flood the net with those puppies and even telebits wont save us. (I have about 30+ picture disks, whats that, 25 megabytes. Sheesh.) -- "Live by the lawn dart, die by the lawn dart." richard@gryphon.CTS.COM {decwrl!mejac, rutgers!marque}!gryphon!richard
kent@xanth.cs.odu.edu (Kent Paul Dolan) (06/13/88)
In article <4398@gryphon.CTS.COM> richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: >In article <2267@antique.UUCP> vax135!cjp (Charles Poirier) writes: >>In article <4380@killer.UUCP> woodsb@killer.UUCP (Brent L. Woods) writes: >>>In article <5269@dayton.UUCP> joe@dayton.UUCP (Joseph P. Larson) writes: >>>> >>>>the moderators would like to post them to .binaries? >>> >>>We came to the conclusion that, yes, we would be willing to >>>post picture files ... , but we couldn't justify archive space for them. >> >>Hi, it's me, being negative again. Pictures are not worth archiving at >>even the one site that people count on for archives, but they *are* >>worth spending several hundred hours of Usenet phone time per picture >>to transmit around the world? (And they're not even naughty? :-)) Oh >>my aching backbone! > >I've gotta agree with Charles on this one. As much as I like to see the >free flow of free information, the volume volume volume we are talking >about here is staggering. > >Put them on a commercial network where you get some idea of the real cost. > >Become the "Fred Fish of pictures". Become a central distribution >point; distribute to user groups. But flood the net with those >puppies and even telebits wont save us. > >(I have about 30+ picture disks, whats that, 25 megabytes. Sheesh.) > Much as I hate to agree with Richard about anything, he is absolutely right here (I think one of his fish typed it, personally). I can produce a priceless work of art in 30 minutes, tops, as opposed to weeks or months to make a program the same size; the flood of pictures could easily displace or delay beyond sustaining some great PD programs. No telebit trailblazer can beat the bandwidth of Leo on his bike with his cape pockets full of picture disks. Pictures should be passed around at club meetings, shared with local BBS's, but not sent on the net unless they have some other value (thereby excusing my Bard's Tale I Maps, I hope ;-) - they are just too low value for the storage and transmission costs. Now if someone wants to collect them by USnail and make them available ftp, so those who get, pay, I suppose that would be alright. Kent, the man from xanth.
peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (06/14/88)
I'm going to get flamed. Neat. I'll go further. I'd be willing to say "shut down comp.binaries.amiga". Am I being a hypocrite? After all, I posted Gauge and Browser in binary format. Well, yes... but. I have since sent out the source of gauge, and I've been posting binaries since Browser on Compuserve instead of here. No saint like a reformed sinner, perhaps. But go have a look at news.admin. Shutting down the binaries group voluntarily might help us keep the sources group alive. I don't want to have to fall back on alt.sources.amiga. -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- "Have you hugged your U wolf today?" ...!bellcore!tness1!sugar!peter -- Disclaimer: These may be the official opinions of Hackercorp.
woodsb@killer.UUCP (Brent L. Woods) (06/14/88)
In article <5560@xanth.cs.odu.edu> kent@xanth.UUCP (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: >Much as I hate to agree with Richard about anything, he is absolutely >right here (I think one of his fish typed it, personally). I can >produce a priceless work of art in 30 minutes, tops, as opposed to >weeks or months to make a program the same size; the flood of pictures >could easily displace or delay beyond sustaining some great PD >programs. And we got plenty of them, too. Honest, race fans, If I'd have had any idea of the discussion it would have caused (both here and elsewhere--hi, Pat), I would have held my peace (difficult though that can be). Now, I'd almost be willing to run a Fred-Fish-like service just for picture files (and their viewing software, of course), just to get the whole issue settled. We'd even be set up to handle the "naughty" ones, too (have quite a collection, already...). This assumes that there's enough interest in such a thing. And, that I'm crazy enough to do it, too. Me, I like the pictures of pretty girl's faces... Though I wouldn't refuse any others... -- Brent Woods, on his own for a change... USENET: woodsb@killer.UUCP or ihnp4!att!killer!woodsb USNAIL: 320 Brown St., #406 / W. Lafayette, IN 47906 MABELL: +1 (317) 743-8421 "If it don't rain, the roof don't leak; if it's rainin', I cain't fix it nohow..." -A Great Philosopher
woodsb@killer.UUCP (Brent L. Woods) (06/14/88)
In article <2121@sugar.UUCP> peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes: >I'm going to get flamed. Neat. Can't dispute that. >I'll go further. I'd be willing to say "shut down comp.binaries.amiga". I wouldn't. No way. Though, I might be considered prejudiced... :-) >Am I being a hypocrite? After all, I posted Gauge and Browser in binary >format. Well, yes... but. I have since sent out the source of gauge, and >I've been posting binaries since Browser on Compuserve instead of here. > >No saint like a reformed sinner, perhaps. > >But go have a look at news.admin. Shutting down the binaries group >voluntarily might help us keep the sources group alive. I don't want to >have to fall back on alt.sources.amiga. Tell me, what are the people who don't have compilers or programming expertise supposed to do? Download all that fun source and just look at it like it was high art? Contrary to what I've seen implied elsewhere, most of the Amiga owners in the universe *aren't* programmers or developers. They're people who use the machine for some specific purpose (usually graphics or sound applications) and barely trust themselves to point and click with the mouse. I have one friend who uses my Amiga from time to time for word processing and he has a distinct *aversion* to the idea of programming it himself. Even so, I've just about sold him an Amiga of his own because of all the *great* software I've shown him (if only I could get paid for this...). This is in spite of the fact that the verb "to compile" gives him the twitches. Heck, it's hard enough for *me* to manage to compile the source sent out by Matt Dillon (sorry Matt, but you *do* use a somewhat unique environment), and *I* have lots of experience of that kind. C'mon, give the neophytes a break, eh? -- Brent Woods, Co-Moderator, comp.{sources,binaries}.amiga, mouthing off yet again. USENET: woodsb@killer.UUCP or ihnp4!att!killer!woodsb USNAIL: 320 Brown St., #406 / W. Lafayette, IN 47906 MABELL: +1 (317) 743-8421 This week's Phrase-That-Pays: "Oh, well..."
joe@dayton.UUCP (Joseph P. Larson) (06/15/88)
In article <4398@gryphon.CTS.COM> richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) say: > >Become the "Fred Fish of pictures". Become a central distribution >point; distribute to user groups. But flood the net with those >puppies and even telebits wont save us. > >(I have about 30+ picture disks, whats that, 25 megabytes. Sheesh.) Yes, the volume is too high. So I am hereby officially becoming a picture collector. If you have pictures, drop me a disk. For every disk of pics I get, I'll send it back with what I may have found by that point. A few notes: 1. If you send ray-traced, sending the input to the ray tracer would be appreciated. That's up to you. 2. If the picture can not be displayed with DPaintII or the DISPLAY program that comes with DBW_Render, please provide a display program somewhere on the disk or at least give me some clues as to how I should display it. 3. Make *sure* you give me full mailing info and such. 4. Anything you send me should be freely redistributable. This means that I'd love to get digitized pictures out of your favorite magazine, but that's not legal..... 5. If you DO violate note 4, at least tell me you did so I don't get into trouble with someone Official. 6. Keep copies and insure yourself if you send more disks than you're willing to lose in the mail. If I start to get some collections together, I'll do a followup and tell people what they can do to get some pictures from me without sending submissions. I'm also willing to accept pictures over the phones if I don't have to make long long-distance phone calls to do it. If you have DBW_Render pictures, you can just email those to me.... My mailing address is NOT my work address, however. Send disks, etc to: Joe Larson 6121 St. Croix Ave. N. Golden Valley, Minnesota 55422 Disks sent to me at work will get here, but home would be better.... -- UUCP: rutgers!dayton!joe Dayton Hudson Department Store Company ATT : (612) 375-3537 Joe Larson/MIS 1060 (standard disclaimer...) 700 on the Mall Mpls, Mn. 55402
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (06/15/88)
In article <4456@killer.UUCP>, woodsb@killer.UUCP (Brent L. Woods) writes: > Tell me, what are the people who don't have compilers or programming > expertise supposed to do? Download all that fun source and just look at it > like it was high art? Contrary to what I've seen implied elsewhere, most > of the Amiga owners in the universe *aren't* programmers or developers. The important question is how do the costs of keeping the binaries group compare with the benefits? If the majority of Usenet readers aren't programmers it makes sense to devote the bandwidth to binaries for their benefit. But my impression is that Usenet readers are generally able to compile programs. True, there are lots of Amiga owners who aren't programmers, but if they don't have access to Usenet anyway it's hard to justify the bandwidth for binaries. People who don't have Usenet access get programs from those who do, through user groups, dealer libraries, and the Fish libraries. The suggestion to stop distributing binaries over the net deserves some research into the usefulness of binaries to Usenet readers. --Fabbian Dufoe 350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South St. Petersburg, Florida 33705 813-823-2350 UUCP: ...gatech!codas!usfvax2!jc3b21!fgd3
melnik@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ofer Melnik) (06/17/88)
I've seen a lot lately about a program called "DBW_Render" can someone tell me what it is/does? Is it public domain? Thanks Ofer Melnik
blgardne@esunix.UUCP (Blaine Gardner) (06/17/88)
From article <4398@gryphon.CTS.COM>, by richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton): > Become the "Fred Fish of pictures". Become a central distribution > point; distribute to user groups. But flood the net with those > puppies and even telebits wont save us. I like this idea! One of the things I love about the Amiga is the beautiful pictures that get created on it. I've collected just about every picture I've had my hands on, and there are some that I would maim to get. I'm the libriarian of the local user's group and would be very interested in seeing this happen. Why stop at pictures, how about sound/music files too? The biggest problem with getting Amiga art distributed is the sheer size of the files. A centralized, floppy based distribution seems to be the ideal answer. Any volunteers? :-) -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 540 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 UUCP Addresses: {ihnp4,ucbvax,allegra,decvax}!decwrl!esunix!blgardne ihnp4!utah-cs!esunix!blgardne usna!esunix!blgardne "Nobody will ever need more than 64K." "Nobody needs multitasking on a PC."