Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) (05/15/88)
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Software Owner:
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Every Amiga user should have a back-up copy of every
protected program they own. Now YOU can have reliable, affordable
protection!
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We offer two options:
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1) You supply us with an original disk. For $2 per disk*,
we will make you a duplicate.
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2) For $5 per disk*, and proof of an original copy, we
will make you a duplicate.
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Ownership can be proven as follows:
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1) Provide original sales slip
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2) Sign the release on the order form.
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(* Plus $1 per disk shipping)
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Order Form:
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Name ___________________________________________ (Please Print)
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Street ___________________________________________
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City ___________________________________________
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State ____________________ Zip _________________
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I have enclosed _____ original disks.
Other than the enclosed disks, I want _____ backups.
I have enclosed $_____ ($2 per disk w/original, $5 without)
I have enclosed $_____ shipping ($1 per disk)
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Please make all checks and money orders payable to: DNZ Enterprises.
Allow two weeks for personal checks.
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Present Copyright Laws permit you to make, or authorize the making
of a backup copy of your software.
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I certify that I am the owner of the following software, and that
I authorize DNZ enterprises to provide me with backups in
accordance with Copyright Laws.
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List Software:
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Mail to:
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Amiga Disk Backup
DNZ Enterprises
Dept. B
P.O. Box 1452
Highland Park, NJ
08904
+Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) (05/15/88)
Amiga Disk Backup -- Software List (5/14/88) + We can make backups of the following software without you supplying an original: + Fire Power, Crystal Hammer, Dark Castle (2 disks), Archon I, Shanghai Faery Tale, Silent Service, Skyfox, Starglider, Larn 12.0b, Hack Bard's Tale, Barbarian, Flight simulator, Marble Madness, Guild of Thieves, Defender of the Crown, Moebius, Arena, Workbench 1.2 Facc II, Maruader II, Project D, Pascal, C, Extras/Basic 1.2 Kickstart 1.2, Word Perfect 4.1 (4 disks), Textcraft plus, Scribble Superbase, NewTek Demo, Deluxe Paint II, Deluxe Paint II art disk Digi-Paint, Digi-View, Butcher 2.0, Printmaster, Aegis animator Silver, Sculpt 3d, Dynamic Cad 2.0, Audio Master, Sonix 2.0 (2 disks) Music Construction Set, Dynamic Drums (2 disks), Psound + As well as Fred Fish Disks 1-123. + + These are by no means all the disks we can copy (in fact we can copy almost all the disks on the market today.) If you have a disk that is not on the list, PLEASE, send us the disk and we will copy it. +
cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (05/17/88)
Now if I were a pirate and I wanted to gets lots of copy protected
software how would I do it? This backup deal sounds like a good start.
I am probably entirely too cynical but this thing really threw up a
warning flag when I read it.
--Chuck McManis
uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com
These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (05/17/88)
It gets better and better ...
--Chuck McManis
uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com
These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) (05/17/88)
In article <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP> Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: >Amiga Disk Backup -- Software List (5/14/88) >+ >We can make backups of the following software without you >supplying an original: >+ >Fire Power, Crystal Hammer, Dark Castle (2 disks), Archon I, Shanghai >Faery Tale, Silent Service, Skyfox, Starglider, Larn 12.0b, Hack >Bard's Tale, Barbarian, Flight simulator, Marble Madness, >Guild of Thieves, Defender of the Crown, Moebius, Arena, Workbench 1.2 >Facc II, Maruader II, Project D, Pascal, C, Extras/Basic 1.2 >Kickstart 1.2, Word Perfect 4.1 (4 disks), Textcraft plus, Scribble >Superbase, NewTek Demo, Deluxe Paint II, Deluxe Paint II art disk >Digi-Paint, Digi-View, Butcher 2.0, Printmaster, Aegis animator >Silver, Sculpt 3d, Dynamic Cad 2.0, Audio Master, Sonix 2.0 (2 disks) >Music Construction Set, Dynamic Drums (2 disks), Psound >+ >As well as Fred Fish Disks 1-123. >+ Are you nuts ? I read your previous posting and order form. Do you really think it is legal for you to provide people with copies of commercial software on either an "original receipt" which will probably not specify exactly what they bought or on a signature that could belong to someone not of legal age or to a fictitious person ? I certainly hope you discussed this attorney because I have a feeling you are going to need one. And what they heck are Kickstart, Workbench, Extras, Textcraft Pluss, C, and Pascal doing on your list ???? Those disks are not copy protected and anyone with a legitimately purchased copy can make their own archival backup with the Amiga Diskcopy command. I see no reason for such software to even appear on your list unless you are what you appear to be - software pirates. >+ >These are by no means all the disks we can copy (in fact we can copy >almost all the disks on the market today.) If you have a disk that >is not on the list, PLEASE, send us the disk and we will copy it. >+ Yes - and I bet you'll make a copy for your personal archive at the same time. I strongly suggest that you return any money and disks that are sent to you with a note that you are sorry, but you cannot perform the service that you advertised. It might make it easier on you when you get sued. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CATS >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
ins_adjb@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Daniel Jay Barrett) (05/17/88)
In article <40.228E8C97@rubbs1.UUCP> Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: >[ ... an offer to copy your copy-protected disks.... ] >+ > 1) You supply us with an original disk. For $2 per disk*, >we will make you a duplicate. >+ > 2) For $5 per disk*, and proof of an original copy, we >will make you a duplicate. 3) For $22.00, you can buy MarauderII and copy all of your copy-protected disks by yourself. Good luck, guys, but I don't think your idea is going to sell.... In addition, you should be careful you don't run afoul of any manufacturer's copying conditions. Some of them specify that the owner of a program may not put his disks into a situation that makes pirating easy & convenient. I am not accusing anyone of anything here, but sending your original disk off to somebody you don't know is likely a breach of that contract. -- Dan Barrett ins_adjb@jhunix.UUCP barrett@cs.jhu.edu
ins_adjb@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Daniel Jay Barrett) (05/17/88)
In article <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP> Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: >Amiga Disk Backup -- Software List (5/14/88) >We can make backups of the following software without you >supplying an original: >+ >Fire Power, Crystal Hammer, Dark Castle (2 disks), Archon I ... Unless I misunderstand, folks... this is PIRACY. Please get the FUCK off the Net. -- Dan Barrett ins_adjb@jhunix.UUCP barrett@cs.jhu.edu
grwalter@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Fred Walter) (05/17/88)
In article <40.228E8C97@rubbs1.UUCP> Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: >Software Owner: > Every Amiga user should have a back-up copy of every >protected program they own. Now YOU can have reliable, affordable >protection! >+ >We offer two options: > 1) You supply us with an original disk. For $2 per disk*, >we will make you a duplicate. > 2) For $5 per disk*, and proof of an original copy, we >will make you a duplicate. >+ >Ownership can be proven as follows: > 1) Provide original sales slip >+ OR > 2) Sign the release on the order form. [some text omitted] The above came across comp.sys.amiga. Aside from the fact that this is blatent advertising on the net, does anybody else besides me feel uncomfortable about the above setup ? That this setup (if it is legal) is ripe with opertunities for pirating ? 1) by people signing the 'release' saying they have an original (when they don't) 2) by Daniel Z. making copies of the software that people send in (which he didn't purchase) Just a few thoughts ... fred grwalter@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Canadian domain) grwalter@watcgl.waterloo.edu (US Internet, including CSNET) grwalter@watcgl.waterloo.cdn (CDNnet and some European nets) watmath!watcgl!grwalter (UUCP) uunet!watmath!watcgl!grwalter (another UUCP alternative) grwalter%watcgl.waterloo.edu@csnet-relay.arpa (ARPA)
schein@cbmvax.UUCP (Dan Schein CATS) (05/17/88)
*** WARNING - This is a flame message, you may hit "N" now... In article <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP> Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: >Amiga Disk Backup -- Software List (5/14/88) >+ >We can make backups of the following software without you >supplying an original: >+ >Fire Power, Crystal Hammer, Dark Castle (2 disks), Archon I, Shanghai >Faery Tale, Silent Service, Skyfox, Starglider, Larn 12.0b, Hack >Bard's Tale, Barbarian, Flight simulator, Marble Madness, >Guild of Thieves, Defender of the Crown, Moebius, Arena, Workbench 1.2 >Facc II, Maruader II, Project D, Pascal, C, Extras/Basic 1.2 >Kickstart 1.2, Word Perfect 4.1 (4 disks), Textcraft plus, Scribble >Superbase, NewTek Demo, Deluxe Paint II, Deluxe Paint II art disk >Digi-Paint, Digi-View, Butcher 2.0, Printmaster, Aegis animator >Silver, Sculpt 3d, Dynamic Cad 2.0, Audio Master, Sonix 2.0 (2 disks) >Music Construction Set, Dynamic Drums (2 disks), Psound >+ >As well as Fred Fish Disks 1-123. >+ >+ >These are by no means all the disks we can copy (in fact we can copy >almost all the disks on the market today.) If you have a disk that >is not on the list, PLEASE, send us the disk and we will copy it. >+ ****** FULL FLAME MODE ON! ****** This backup offer is a total scam! Sure everyone has the right to a backup copy, but paying you to backup Fish Disks, or Kickstart disks - can you say "screwed"? Im sure anyone you rip off can. These are non-protected disks, read my lips "NON-PROTECTED". Any day #1 with an Amiga novice can simply drag the disks icon over a blank disks icon and *POOF* instant backup copy. As for offering to make backup copies *WITHOUT* the original(s), just how can you make a legal copy for someone if they DO NOT send you their original disk as proof of ownership? I guess you just take their word for it, or maybe a receipt from PathMark for Pampers or Sears for that new Craftsman drill? Can you say illegal, I know alot of layers who can :-) Then to top it all off you offer to make a backup copy of my Marauder disk, this one wins the all time asshole award! I should pay you to back up a copy program that is non-protected. Marauder tells you on its own disk, that it can copy itself. Now think about it, any use who bought Marauder can make a backup copy of it and most of their disks themself. Most likley you use Marauder, Project D or one of the other copy programs to make these backups of the protected disks your offering to backup for me. Ha Ha Ha... you're a real joker! This sounds like a pirate scam to increase YOUR collection of programs while making your collection available (for a slight fee of course) to other pirates. Think about this..... Im a pirate and want that new game XYZ, so I buy a Enhancer Kit at my local dealer for $15. Send you the receipt, because all it says is "ABC Computers - $15", you send me game XYZ. Now on the other hand.... I send you my new game, you copy it for me, and just happen to make a spare couple of copies for you and your buddies, then charge me for being ripped off! Either this is the stupidist pirate scam I have ever heard of or you're the most niave person living! Which is it, pirate or niave? ****** FULL FLAME MODE OFF! ****** -- Dan "Sneakers" Schein uucp: {ihnp4|allegra|burdvax|rutgers}!cbmvax!schein Commodore AMIGA ARPANET: cbmvax!schein@uunet.uu.net 1200 Wilson Drive Bix: dschein Plink: Dan*CATS West Chester PA 19380 phone: (215) 431-9100 ext. 9542 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Call BERKS AMIGA BBS - 24 Hrs - 3/12/2400 Baud - 40Meg - 215/678-7691 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ I help Commodore by supporting the AMIGA. Commodore supports me by allowing me to form my own suggestions and comments.
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (05/18/88)
In article <3792@cbmvax.UUCP| carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) writes: |In article <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP| Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: ||Amiga Disk Backup -- Software List (5/14/88) ||+ ||We can make backups of the following software without you ||supplying an original: ||+ ||Fire Power, Crystal Hammer, Dark Castle (2 disks), Archon I, Shanghai ||Faery Tale, Silent Service, Skyfox, Starglider, Larn 12.0b, Hack ||Bard's Tale, Barbarian, Flight simulator, Marble Madness, ||Guild of Thieves, Defender of the Crown, Moebius, Arena, Workbench 1.2 ||Facc II, Maruader II, Project D, Pascal, C, Extras/Basic 1.2 ||Kickstart 1.2, Word Perfect 4.1 (4 disks), Textcraft plus, Scribble ||Superbase, NewTek Demo, Deluxe Paint II, Deluxe Paint II art disk ||Digi-Paint, Digi-View, Butcher 2.0, Printmaster, Aegis animator ||Silver, Sculpt 3d, Dynamic Cad 2.0, Audio Master, Sonix 2.0 (2 disks) ||Music Construction Set, Dynamic Drums (2 disks), Psound |Are you nuts ? I read your previous posting and order form. Do you |really think it is legal for you to provide people with copies of |commercial software on either an "original receipt" which will probably |not specify exactly what they bought or on a signature that could belong |to someone not of legal age or to a fictitious person ? |I certainly hope you discussed this attorney because I have a feeling |you are going to need one. |And what they heck are Kickstart, Workbench, Extras, Textcraft Pluss, |C, and Pascal doing on your list ???? Those disks are not copy |protected and anyone with a legitimately purchased copy can make their |own archival backup with the Amiga Diskcopy command. I see no reason for |such software to even appear on your list unless you are what you appear |to be - software pirates. Is there anybody interested in getting this BLATANT PIRATE to court? Is CBM interested in doing that? This is the kind of operation that should be SHUT DOWN before it even starts to operate. Note that since he is trying to do this through the US Mail system he could be charged with violation of a number of federal laws (fraud, etc...). Let's get this jerk off the face of the earth :-) -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Doug_B_Erdely@cup.portal.com (05/18/88)
This message is ridiculious!!!! He has Crystal Hammer on the list!!! For
Christ sakes that program has NOT even been released yet!!!!
Since nobody else has come right out and said it..... THIS GUY IS A CROOK!!!
Don't send him a DIME!!!!!!
- Doug -
Doug_B_Erdely@Portal.Cup.Com
p.s. Sorry, but such out and out piracy really pisses me off!mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) (05/18/88)
I wonder how long it will be before all of the companies who make products mentioned in the "Pirate List" will sue? Certainly Commodore should -- all their software is unprotected and not freely redistributable. CATS, have you shown this to the Commodore Legal Department? --M Michael Portuesi / Carnegie Mellon University ARPA/UUCP: mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu BITNET: rainwalker@drycas "Memories are uncertain friends, when recalled by messages" -- OMD, "Messages"
peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (05/18/88)
In article ... Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: > We can make backups of the following software without you > supplying an original: Really? > Fire Power, Crystal Hammer, Dark Castle (2 disks), Archon I, Shanghai... For you news.admin people, the original message included about 15 lines of programs, mostly copyrighted commercial programs. > These are by no means all the disks we can copy (in fact we can copy > almost all the disks on the market today.) If you have a disk that > is not on the list, PLEASE, send us the disk and we will copy it. I think this is a pretty flagrant violation of whatever sets of rules most systems try to abide by. I know the FBI will see this, since uunet sends them a tape, but what other action should be taken in the meantime? -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!sugar!peter -- "Have you hugged your U wolf today?" ...!bellcore!tness1!sugar!peter -- Disclaimer: These may be the official opinions of Hackercorp.
carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) (05/18/88)
In article <wWYH0qy00XcL012G8Q@andrew.cmu.edu> mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) writes: >I wonder how long it will be before all of the companies who make >products mentioned in the "Pirate List" will sue? Certainly >Commodore should -- all their software is unprotected and not freely >redistributable. > >CATS, have you shown this to the Commodore Legal Department? Yes - legal is getting a copy. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Carolyn Scheppner -- CATS >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< UUCP ...{allegra,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax!carolyn PHONE 215-431-9180 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) (05/18/88)
I've noticed most of the trash in this newsgroup comes from rubbs1.uucp, a FidoNet gateway. Maybe we can get rutgers to stop forwarding stuff from them? Path: ulowell!m2c!husc6!bloom-beacon!mit-eddie!rutgers!rubbs1!Daniel_Zenchelsky From: Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Amiga Disk Backup (#2) Message-ID: <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP> Date: 15 May 88 13:35:05 GMT Organization: FidoNet node 107/330 ..Bob -- Bob Page, U of Lowell CS Dept. page@swan.ulowell.edu ulowell!page
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (05/18/88)
In article <7143@swan.ulowell.edu> page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: >I've noticed most of the trash in this newsgroup comes from >rubbs1.uucp, a FidoNet gateway. Maybe we can get rutgers >to stop forwarding stuff from them? > |Path: ulowell!m2c!husc6!bloom-beacon!mit-eddie!rutgers!rubbs1!Daniel_Zenchelsky ^^^^^^^^ |From: Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) |Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga |Subject: Amiga Disk Backup (#2) |Message-ID: <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP| |Date: 15 May 88 13:35:05 GMT |Organization: FidoNet node 107/330 Good idea. Mail your gripe to postmaster@rutgers.edu or is there a better address? -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
dillon@CORY.BERKELEY.EDU (Matt Dillon) (05/19/88)
>|In article <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP| Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: >||Amiga Disk Backup -- Software List (5/14/88) WILL YOU PEOPLE STOP INCLUDING (>) HIS !@#$#@ TEXT IN YOUR REPLIES PLEASE??? Cut it down to one (1) line. Huh? Pretty Please? I'm sure we all want to linch the guy but for all we know he isn't even reading the newsgroup.... send mail to him <directly> ... or even send mail to root on his machine, or postmaster on his machine, or whatever.... but stop wasting network bandwidth. The issue is dead! (because everybody agrees). Thanks, -Matt
kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth) (05/19/88)
>To: Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP >Subject: Re: Amiga Disk Backup Hey, great scam. And you could try out every program that came to you too, huh. And maybe keep your own backup, on the sly? I wonder how many people will just send in the $5. It could get expensive to buy all those programs for awhile. Or maybe they are just on some nearby pirate BBS. Trouble is, then legitimate owners might not get the version they asked for. Or it might not have their serial number, in which case you'd be in deep yoghurt. It'd be a pretty easy trap to fall into too, if a software company wanted to trap you. In fact, if a software company wanted to get picky, and they had a serial number on the disk, and you sent back a copy that differed from the original, it would be a pretty clear case of copyright infringement, for which the penalty can be $10K per infringement. You're gonna have to sell a whole lot of legitimate $5 disks to pay for even one of these fines, not to mention legal fees. Hope DNZ is a corporation... My opinions are intellectual property. Keep your hands off!
wisner@fenchurch.MIT.EDU (Bill Wisner) (05/19/88)
> I know the FBI will see this, since uunet sends >them a tape.. Really? ..b
jimm@amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) (05/19/88)
In article <9136@oberon.USC.EDU> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: )|In article <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP| Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: )||We can make backups of the following software without you )||supplying an original: )Is there anybody interested in getting this BLATANT PIRATE to court? Is )CBM interested in doing that? This is the kind of operation that should )be SHUT DOWN before it even starts to operate. Note that since he is )trying to do this through the US Mail system he could be charged with violation )of a number of federal laws (fraud, etc...). Let's get this jerk off the face )of the earth :-) )-- Marco Papa 'Doc' Marco, you know we don't allow CBM lawyers to read the net. ;^) Flame this guy through mail. Sooner or later his system administrator will read some of the massive quantities of mail and kick his butt. Anybody catch his mail path? jimm -- Jim Mackraz, I and I Computing amiga!jimm BIX:jmackraz Opinions are my own. Comments regarding the Amiga operating system, and all others, are NOT to be taken as Commodore official policy.
eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (05/20/88)
In article <9175@oberon.USC.EDU> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >In article <7143@swan.ulowell.edu> page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: >>I've noticed most of the trash in this newsgroup comes from >>rubbs1.uucp, a FidoNet gateway. Maybe we can get rutgers >>to stop forwarding stuff from them? >> >|Path: ulowell!m2c!husc6!bloom-beacon!mit-eddie!rutgers!rubbs1!Daniel_Zenchelsky > ^^^^^^^^ >|From: Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) >|Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga >|Subject: Amiga Disk Backup (#2) >|Message-ID: <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP| >|Date: 15 May 88 13:35:05 GMT >|Organization: FidoNet node 107/330 > >Good idea. Mail your gripe to postmaster@rutgers.edu or is there a better >address? >-- Marco Papa 'Doc' >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu > "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Whoa guys - time to put a stop to this. Do *not* - I repeat - do *not* send flames to postmaster@rutgers, it is entirely inappropriate to do so. A bit of background and explanation follows... rubbs1 is a PC Fido Node run by the Rutgers Microlab in Piscataway, NJ. My theory about Mr Zenchelsky (from what I've been able to glean from my end - he has an account on my BBS) is that he is a high school student living in Highland Park, NJ (just down the road from Piscataway). Mr Zenchelsky probably does not fully realize what Usenet is nor the ramifications of his posting his message here. I would venture a guess that he received an A500 as a present, perhaps having formerly owned a C64, and has carried his piracy over from that environment. Now, the good folks who run the Rutgers computers that are on the net are not solely responsible for the operation of rubbs1. I would suggest sending mail - *not* flames - to Michael Keyles (keyles@rutgers) who is responsible for the operation of the Fido node. Mr Zenchelsky may have the opportunity to attend one of my user group meetings such as the one I am holding tommorrow evening. If he should, I will certainly take the opportunity to converse with him and find out what I can. Eric ARPA: eric@topaz.rutgers.edu or eric@ulysses.att.com UUCP: {wherever!}ulysses!eric or {wherever!}rutgers!topaz!eric SNAIL: 34 Maplehurst Ln, Piscataway, NJ 08854 "To err is human; To really f*ck up requires the root password."
BEB@UNO.BITNET (Bruce Bettis) (05/20/88)
What a wonderful service, and such a clever way to advertise!
I'd like to order one of everything you have in stock, but, alas, cash
flow difficulties... perhaps you would take an ounce of cocaine or a nubile
virgin slave (your choice of age and sex) in trade? Or property, hmm, how
about a nice bridge?
(Damn, I love this network... :)
Bruce
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In article <7143@swan.ulowell.edu>, page@swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: > I've noticed most of the trash in this newsgroup comes from > rubbs1.uucp, a FidoNet gateway. Maybe we can get rutgers > to stop forwarding stuff from them? I agree, and my request for this is in the mail to rutgers!usenet. I suggest others that feel the same way follow suit. -- Dave Bakken Boeing Commercial Airplanes (206) 277-2571 uw-beaver!apcisea!hrsw2!bakken Disclaimer: These are my own views, not those of my employers. Don't let them deter you from buying the 747 you've been saving hard for.
suh@cunixc.columbia.edu (Kenneth Suh) (05/21/88)
In article <41.228E8CA9@rubbs1.UUCP> Daniel_Zenchelsky@rubbs1.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) writes: >Amiga Disk Backup -- Software List (5/14/88) >+ >We can make backups of the following software without you >supplying an original: >+ >Fire Power, Crystal Hammer, Dark Castle (2 disks), Archon I, Shanghai blah...blah...blah Duh, I want a backup of the backup I made... I think... >These are by no means all the disks we can copy (in fact we can copy >almost all the disks on the market today.) If you have a disk that >is not on the list, PLEASE, send us the disk and we will copy it. >+ Do these guys guarantee that they won't keep a copy? Does anyone think that they are on thin ice? /ken Kenneth Suh PATH: suh@CUNIXC.COLUMBIA.EDU 41-57 Bowne Street SY.SUH@CU20B.BITNET Flushing, NY 11355 ..!rutgers!columbia!cunixc!suh -- Kenneth Suh PATH: suh@CUNIXC.COLUMBIA.EDU 41-57 Bowne Street SY.SUH@CU20B.BITNET Flushing, NY 11355 ..!rutgers!columbia!cunixc!suh
eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (05/22/88)
Well, what do you know - guess who showed up at my meeting Friday night?
Turns out my suspicions were fairly accurate - Mr. Zenchelsky is not
even in high school yet, he's only 12 years old. Now, this does not
excuse his actions, but I hope that it puts the situation in a
different perspective.
In any event, I did not get a chance to approach him personally (I'm
really busy at JAUG meetings, since I run the show), but I did alert
my Membership VP and he did get the chance to approach him. I am
assured by my associate, Thom Madura, that he made Daniel aware that
pirates are not welcome in our User Group, in the Amiga Community,
or on Usenet. Since we now have a way of contacting Daniel directly
(he did join our group), I will approach him myself with the concerns
of the net. Please mail your comments directly to me - I will be
calling him sometime late this week.
I hope this puts the discussion to a rest - please send further
discussion my way.
Thanks guys,
Eric
ARPA: eric@topaz.rutgers.edu or eric@ulysses.att.com
UUCP: {wherever!}ulysses!eric or {wherever!}rutgers!topaz!eric
SNAIL: 34 Maplehurst Ln, Piscataway, NJ 08854
"To err is human; To really f*ck up requires the root password."dillon@CORY.BERKELEY.EDU (Matt Dillon) (05/23/88)
:Well, what do you know - guess who showed up at my meeting Friday night? :Turns out my suspicions were fairly accurate - Mr. Zenchelsky is not :even in high school yet, he's only 12 years old. Now, this does not :excuse his actions, but I hope that it puts the situation in a :different perspective. Only 12? Jeez ... that's the problem with the USENET, you have no idea who's on the other end of the line! Matt Dillon Male (no dah!) major=EECS Senior, UC Berkeley, going for his Bull Shit degree. age=21.84 -Matt
juan@gatech.edu (Juan M. Orlandini) (05/24/88)
In article <8805230812.AA10303@cory.Berkeley.EDU>, dillon@CORY.BERKELEY.EDU (Matt Dillon) writes: > no idea who's on the other end of the line! > You forgot to post you phone # for some of the ladies on the net. :-) Name: Juan Orlandini Sex : as often as possible (surprise, surprise) School: Georgia Tech, ICS/IM sophomore major (CS and Industrial Management) Age : 20.81367 (Matt, Aug 1?) // _______ // "Honesty is the best policy // | __ // but, insanity is a better \\// | | | |__| |\ | \\// defense." \/ |__| |__| | | | \| \/ School of Information & Computer Science, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,rutgers}!gatech!juan Internet: juan@gatech.edu BIX: juan
murphy@pur-phy (William J. Murphy) (05/25/88)
[ Wouldn't ya like to be a line-eater too?! ]
Hey Daniel ... Wake up man you are violating copyright laws.
You must be reading all of the flamage about your last posting,
so get it through your thicker-than-average-cranium....
YOU ARE GETTING INTO DEEP DEEP WATER, IT IS ILLEGAL!!!!ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) (05/25/88)
In article <8805230812.AA10303@cory.Berkeley.EDU> dillon@CORY.BERKELEY.EDU (Matt Dillon) writes: > Only 12? Jeez ... that's the problem with the USENET, you have >no idea who's on the other end of the line! > Personally, I think it's an advantage, as it forces you to take the other guy/gal seriously. I mean, suppose this person started a real interesting and coherent discussion on optimizing the graphics routines. Would you have even begun to respond to him if you knew ahead of time that s/he was only 12 years old? Name: Leo L. Schwab Sex: What's that? School: Hard Knocks (I have little formal education beyond high school) Age: 23.7973990418 (roughly) _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape ihnp4!pacbell -\ \_ -_ Recumbent Bikes: dual ---> !{well,unicom}!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor
keyles@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Michael Keyles) (05/27/88)
> Marco, you know we don't allow CBM lawyers to read the net. ;^) > Flame this guy through mail. Sooner or later his system administrator will > read some of the massive quantities of mail and kick his butt. Consider it kicked...He no longer has access to my system. I posted his reply in a separate message. Sorry it took so long to catch on, but I don't read this newsgroup. Thanks to all who mailed directly to me about this. Mike -- =============================================================================== Michael Keyles UUCP : rutgers!elbereth.rutgers.edu!keyles Rutgers University BITNET : 1005106@rutvm1 P.O Box 879 INTERNET: keyles@elbereth.rutgers.edu Piscataway, NJ 08855 FIDONET : 1:107/320 (201) 932-3237 Subject: Xmodem for VMS Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Distribution: usa Hi, The version of XMODEM that we are currently running is from 1984. Can someone point me to the latest version for VAX/VMS? Thanks, Mike
keyles@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Michael Keyles) (05/27/88)
In article <10300@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com> eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) writes: > Whoa guys - time to put a stop to this. > > Do *not* - I repeat - do *not* send flames to postmaster@rutgers, > it is entirely inappropriate to do so. A bit of background and > explanation follows... > > rubbs1 is a PC Fido Node run by the Rutgers Microlab in Piscataway, > NJ. My theory about Mr Zenchelsky (from what I've been able to glean > from my end - he has an account on my BBS) is that he is a high > school student living in Highland Park, NJ (just down the road from > Piscataway). Mr Zenchelsky probably does not fully realize what > Usenet is nor the ramifications of his posting his message here. I > would venture a guess that he received an A500 as a present, perhaps > having formerly owned a C64, and has carried his piracy over from > that environment. > I don't think this is accurate. He did have accounts on an academic computer here at Rutgers. That account has been closed as well. Mike -- =============================================================================== Michael Keyles UUCP : rutgers!elbereth.rutgers.edu!keyles Rutgers University BITNET : 1005106@rutvm1 P.O Box 879 INTERNET: keyles@elbereth.rutgers.edu Piscataway, NJ 08855 FIDONET : 1:107/320 (201) 932-3237 Subject: Xmodem for VMS Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Distribution: usa Hi, The version of XMODEM that we are currently running is from 1984. Can someone point me to the latest version for VAX/VMS? Thanks, Mike
Rick_Sharpe@rubbs1.UUCP (Rick Sharpe) (05/28/88)
Don't worry people... Amiga Disk Backup is out of business. I saw this posted on a bbs: . . 5-25-88 . . . A) When I created the Amiga Disk Backup offer, I intended to . create an easy, effective means for legitimate software owners to make . legal backups of software which they own. My service is equivalent to . a copy program. Yes, it can be used for illegal purposes, but if used . properly, as I believe most people do, it is a tool that can save you . lots of wasted time and money. I do not condone piracy, and my service . is not intended for that purpose. . . B) Due to the negative publicity, which I believe is unjust, I have . decided to cancel my Amiga Disk Backup offer. . . C) You have permission to reproduce this, as long as you reproduce . the entire document. . . . Thank You, . Daniel Zenchelsky .
bakken@hrsw2.UUCP (David E. Bakken) (06/03/88)
One thing that I noticed about this whole affair is that the young Mr. Z. is amazingly articulate for a 12 year old. If he really is 12, and if he gets his act straight about software ethics (as it seems to have been a piracy hoax), I would go out of my way to hire him in 10 years time. -- Dave Bakken Boeing Commercial Airplanes (206) 277-2571 uw-beaver!apcisea!hrsw2!bakken Disclaimer: These are my own views, not those of my employers. Don't let them deter you from buying the 747 you've been saving hard for.
michael@stb.UUCP (Michael) (06/20/88)
Why does everyone say this is a piracy hoax? Consider: Here we have a small scale duplicator, much like the large commercial ones, only smaller. For $2 if you sent a disk, he'd duplicate it; for $5 if it was one he had, he'd duplicate it. Now, how unreasonable is that? Someone said, "Buy marauder, and forget him". But you can't buy marauder-- you have to keep on buying the G-D-updates. When I bought Marauder, both the ads and the package back said "Copies any disk"; when I took it home and opened it (too late to return it) it said, "Marauder only copies those disks we say it will copy; for others, please buy our nice upgrades and pay for the program many times over". Thats unacceptable. Whats worse is that some things just won't copy even with the next brain file to come out. Brain 10 still didn't copy emerald mines, and I wound up going in with db and removing the protection (see later article). I took the ad as someone saying, "I have developed my own copy program, and I will make sure it copies anything. I will offer it as a service for $2 per disk. Oh yea--I also have a complete fish collection which I will sell for $5 per disk, or $2 if you send a blank. If you and I both own the same game, and you are willing to say that you own it, then for $5 I will copy it and you won't have to send in the disk". That last part is not piracy--you had to sign a statement that yes, you did own the game, making you sueable, not him. He may not have been aware that someone under 18 could not enter a contract--I didn't (although it seems reasonable if you think about it.) I really think its a shame that this person was flammed to a third degree burn level so fast; it really reduces the chance of any such venture from being started. And yes, I think that there's money to be made. Start by backing up Aracknoid--Discovery wants $3, you charge $2, you make the profit. :-) : --- : Michael Gersten uunet.uu.net!denwa!stb!michael : sdcsvax!crash!gryphon!denwa!stb!michael : What would have happened if we had lost World War 2. Well, the west coast : would be owned by Japan, we would all be driving foreign cars, hmm...