AmigaEB@altger.UUCP (AmigaEB) (06/18/88)
When are commodore planning to release kickstart 1.3 ? And what is it going to cost us poor Amiga 500 users that have to replace the ROM ? And will all commercial software for 1.2 work with 1.3 ? Ronny Hansen.
cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (06/21/88)
In article <777@altger.UUCP> AmigaEB@altger.UUCP (Ronny Hansen) writes: >When are commodore planning to release kickstart 1.3 ? >And what is it going to cost us poor Amiga 500 users that >have to replace the ROM ? >And will all commercial software for 1.2 work with 1.3 ? >Ronny Hansen. Just so that things are *PERFECTLY* clear here. The *only* thing that 1.3 *KICKSTART* buys you is the ability to automatically boot from a hard disk. Chances are you don't need this so you might want to save your pennies for a 1.4 *KICKSTART* ROM instead, which not only autoboots but supports the new chips, and fixes all known bugs :-) (actually, it may just substitute new bugs for the old ones, but the ones that may or may not be bothering you now should be fixed.) Now 1.3 *WORKBENCH* is a different beast entirely, and will have many improvements and everyone should get it and it will work on all systems. (with 1.2 or 1.3 kickstart). When it will be released is anyones guess, my guess is in a month or so. So far the only commercial software that doesn't work with 1.3 is the Titus game "Crazy Cars" which calls the ROM directly. You should have seen the nuclear flame I sent them! --Chuck McManis uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (06/21/88)
In article <57269@sun.uucp> cmcmanis@sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: >Just so that things are *PERFECTLY* clear here. The *only* thing that >1.3 *KICKSTART* buys you is the ability to automatically boot from a >hard disk. Chances are you don't need this so you might want to save Actually you can autoboot from ANY autoboot device, including the 1.3 RRD (C-A Removable Ram Disk), which can save you a few seconds after a GURU. I agree that just this might not be worth the expense. -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
smaug@eneevax.UUCP (Kurt J. Lidl) (06/21/88)
In article <10008@oberon.USC.EDU> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: [bunches of stuff deleted] >Actually you can autoboot from ANY autoboot device, including the >1.3 RRD (C-A Removable Ram Disk), which can save you a few seconds ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >after a GURU. I agree that just this might not be worth the expense. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A REMOVABLE Ram disk? *THIS* I just gotta see. What sizes does it welcome it? Can I get an 8 meg version? I personally would pay dearly to see this hit the market... >-- Marco Papa 'Doc' Kurt Lidl -- ================================================================== == Kurt J. Lidl (smaug@eneevax.umd.edu) (301)454-6849 == == UUCP: [seismo,allegra]!umcp-cs!eneevax!smaug == ========"It's after 3am, no point in going to sleep now..."=======
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (06/22/88)
In article <1558@eneevax.UUCP| smaug@eneevax.umd.edu.UUCP (Kurt J. Lidl) writes: |In article <10008@oberon.USC.EDU| papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: |[bunches of stuff deleted] ||Actually you can autoboot from ANY autoboot device, including the ||1.3 RRD (C-A Removable Ram Disk), which can save you a few seconds | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |A REMOVABLE Ram disk? *THIS* I just gotta see. What sizes does it |welcome it? Can I get an 8 meg version? Actually I should have said Removable/Recoverable RAM Disk. The actual name is currently RAD, and RemRAD removes it. I believe you can have it as large as you want, using the Mountlist and also can set it as an FFS disk, for superfast access. -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
lachac@topaz.rutgers.edu (Gerard Lachac) (06/22/88)
>Actually you can autoboot from ANY autoboot device, including the >1.3 RRD (C-A Removable Ram Disk), which can save you a few seconds ^^^^^^^^^ Is this supposed to be "Recoverable", or are we blessed to have a nifty neat new hardware RAM come with our 1.3 upgrades?? It would definitely make people buy 1.3 :-) -- "Truth is false and logic lost..." - Neil Peart (who at the time didn't realize he was talking about RU) lachac@topaz.rutgers.edu <--------OR--------> {seismo|ames}!rutgers!topaz!lachac
tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) (06/24/88)
In article <57269@sun.uucp> cmcmanis@sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: .stuff deleted >Just so that things are *PERFECTLY* clear here. The *only* thing that >1.3 *KICKSTART* buys you is the ability to automatically boot from a >hard disk. Chances are you don't need this so you might want to save .more stuff deleted Does 1.3 KICKSTART give you the ability or just the possibility to do the auto-boot? Doesn't you need another HD controller card than the present 2090 ?
cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (06/25/88)
In article <3572@enea.se> tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) writes: >Does 1.3 KICKSTART give you the ability or just the possibility to >do the auto-boot? Doesn't you need another HD controller card than >the present 2090 ? The 2090 won't autoboot, the 2090 won't autoboot, ever. Kickstart 1.3 makes it possibile to Autoboot from i/o devices that have the Autoboot circuitry on them (some ROMs mostly), the Commodore 2090 does not have this circuitry, it won't autoboot. This is similar to 1.2 adding autoconfig (whereas 1.1 didn't have it). Commodore has announced a 2090A controller that will autoboot, the 2090 can't. You can use your 2090 as a second hard disk controller, but it won't autoboot. You will need a 2090A for that or someone elses controller that has the autobooting circuitry on it. The driver for the recoverable RAM disk will autoboot after it has been loaded into memory the first time. The 2090 will never autoboot. So, KICKSTART 1.3 just gives you the possibility to autoboot. --Chuck McManis uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.
lishka@uwslh.UUCP (Fish-Guts) (06/25/88)
In article <57857@sun.uucp> cmcmanis@sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: >The 2090 won't autoboot, the 2090 won't autoboot, ever. [ Some text describing uses of a 2090 controller ] >The 2090 will never autoboot. Now I may be totally wrong on this, but I am sure I read somewhere that Commodore would have an upgrade for the 2090 to make it into a 2090a for all those folks who have hard-disk controllers that won't autoboot. If I remember, all that needed to be replaced were some ROM chips. However, I have no idea where I read this. Can anyone (specifically Commodore) either verify or shoot down this rumor? If this is all complete nonsense, then please forgive this posting. >--Chuck McManis -Chris -- Christopher Lishka | lishka@uwslh.uucp Wisconsin State Lab of Hygiene | lishka%uwslh.uucp@cs.wisc.edu Immunology Section (608)262-1617 | ...!{rutgers|ucbvax|...}!uwvax!uwslh!lishka "...Just because someone is shy and gets straight A's does not mean they won't put wads of gum in your arm pits." - Lynda Barry, "Ernie Pook's Commeek: Gum of Mystery"
egranthm@jackson.UUCP (Ewan Grantham) (06/26/88)
So, does anyone know if Phoenix will be coming out with an autoboot ROM for
their hard drives?
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I'm not responsible for my bosses, and vice-versapapa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (06/26/88)
In article <340@uwslh.UUCP> lishka@uwslh.UUCP (Fish-Guts) writes: >In article <57857@sun.uucp> cmcmanis@sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: >>The 2090 won't autoboot, the 2090 won't autoboot, ever. > [ Some text describing uses of a 2090 controller ] >>The 2090 will never autoboot. > > Now I may be totally wrong on this, but I am sure I read Yes, you are. Whatever you read, it was wrong. >somewhere that Commodore would have an upgrade for the 2090 to make it >into a 2090a for all those folks who have hard-disk controllers that >won't autoboot. If I remember, all that needed to be replaced were >some ROM chips. However, I have no idea where I read this. Can >anyone (specifically Commodore) either verify or shoot down this rumor? > If this is all complete nonsense, then please forgive this posting. Yes it is. CBM employees on this net clearly stated that the A2090 CANNOT be upgraded to the A2090A, since there are NO SOCKETS for the Autoboot ROM chips. Sorry :-) -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) (07/02/88)
In article <1558@eneevax.UUCP> smaug@eneevax.umd.edu.UUCP (Kurt J. Lidl) writes: >In article <10008@oberon.USC.EDU> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >>1.3 RRD (C-A Removable Ram Disk), which can save you a few seconds >A REMOVABLE Ram disk? *THIS* I just gotta see. What sizes does it >welcome it? Can I get an 8 meg version? > >I personally would pay dearly to see this hit the market... >Kurt Lidl A friend of mine built up a 1/2 meg board with battery backup. So you can load stuff into vd0:, pop it off his machine over to someone elses, and fweeeep! instant VD0:, or a "removable RAM disk". mike -- *** mike (starship janitor) smithwick *** "Being a dwarf does have it's shortcomings" [disclaimer : nope, I don't work for NASA, I take full blame for my ideas]
melnik@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ofer Melnik) (07/02/88)
In article <11151@ames.arc.nasa.gov> mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov.UUCP (Mike Smithwick) writes: |A friend of mine built up a 1/2 meg board with battery backup. So you can |load stuff into vd0:, pop it off his machine over to someone elses, and |fweeeep! instant VD0:, or a "removable RAM disk". | |-- | *** mike (starship janitor) smithwick *** Anybody have an easy way to battery back-up an A501 Ram Expander? Just a thaught... Thanks -Ofer -- Ofer Melnik Rutgers University melnik@topaz.rutgers.edu