[net.music] Tempered scales, playing on old instruments.

mcmillan@eosp1.UUCP (Tobias D. Robison) (03/11/84)

I recently heard a performance of the Mozart 35th symphony by  small
orchestra using old-style technique (notably, little vibrato).  [A recording,
I forget whose.]  It worked very well, with the music (even the 2nd movement)
very perky.  I am not always happy with the sound of old-style techniques,
and anyway I am dubious about how accurately we recreate old styles.

Particularly (this is a flame!) DON'T IMAGINE THAT THE AWFUL OUT-OF-TUNE
STUFF WE HEAR FROM OLD WIND INSTRUMENTS is at all representative of the way
they sounded 100 years ago.  Most wind players spend years getting their
particular modern wind instrument to play in tune.  I'll bet it was always
thus.  I want to hear a 150 year old flute played by someone who has
been practicing on it 6 hours a day for ten years, nothing less.

The Forte-piano appears to have far less sensitivity than the modern piano,
and tends to yield very poor performances in comparison to modern
performances, even for Mozart sonatas.  What's the catch here?  I can't
believe that modern pianists have discovered so much more in Mozart's music
than he himself intended.  Is there some way to play more sensitively on
a forte-piano, or must the listener hear much more forte-piano performances
in order to detect the sensitivity in performances?

We used to have an old-fashioned tuner who tuned the lower octaves sharper
than the higher ones.  This makes more sense to me than "stretched octaves",
but I would prefer stretching in neither way.

Our current tuner is very good, but a few years he switched to a very
accurate tuning machine.  (Incidentally, tuning with the machine is slower
for him than tuning the old way, but probably requires less concentration.)

I find that the tempered tuning with the machine is extremely regular.  I
insisted that he go back to the old way of tuning by hand, which is not
entirely regular; there are some compromises in the black notes.  I primarily
play 19th century (and early 20th century) romantic music, which is clearly
written for the standard hand tuned piano.  With a good hand tuning,
C-major is a very bland key, A-flat major has an extraordinarily sweet sound
that is very easy to recognize, and B-major has a bright, exciting sound due
to the unequal tempering compromises among the black keys.  A very accurate
tempering (by machine) ruins the individual characteristics of the scales,
which must have influenced the great composers.
					- Toby Robison
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					(NOTE! NOT McMillan; Robison.)

simon@psuvax.UUCP (Janos Simon) (03/12/84)

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I must applaud the quest for "non-authentic" playing. Reminds me of a friend's
story: he went with a group of fellow students to study the conditions of
miners in West Virginia. In a union hall, they persuaded some of the old folks
to sing songs from the 30's, and, in particular, a miner in his 80's gave them
a long recital - raspy, throathy voice, but lots of enthousiasm. A member of
the group was enthralled:
-"Your voice - it's so, ...,so AUTHENTIC!"
-"Yeah. It used to be GOOD." was the dispirited reply.

As for fortepianos, Mozart does not seem to fare that well - maybe because some
of the best pianists ever spent years perfecting their interpretations, and so
far, no fortepianist can match the interpretive powers of these masters. However
Haydn, Schubert, and some early Beethoven sound very nice. Try listening to
Malcolm Bilson.
js