tws@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Thomas Sarver) (08/05/88)
>>>So the real point is where is the Amiga 4000? >How about the 2500? It gives you UNIX, an MMU, a 68020 -- the few things the >Mac has which I think are really worthwhile! With X, the super hi-res >monochrome monitor and an ethernet setup it beats the pants off of a Mac II >in the workstation market... It's not out here yet, but they've got them in >Europe, so it's only a matter of time. Unfortunately, all this discussion is going to be passe as of next week. They say Jobs is introducing the 68030-based Nubus machine. So little is known about it, that it isn't even said to have Mac compatibility (unlikely, but possible). This new machine is what CBM is going to compete against for the low-end workstation market. I see the A2500 capturing the market of professionals who want to talk with their office computer/mainframe using something similar to (but not as expensive) as the one on their desk. Running UNIX means they'll only need to use the phone line (not many will be using e-net) to download source code and data. Then they won't be doing remote computing. Anyway, CBM, look at this market! Start now on an ad campaign trying to get to these people. I respect your attempt at the music and video specialty, but the real money is with professionals making >$35K. If you make support available (see "Amiga Dealers" discussion elsewhere on this newsgroup), and all the necessary interface sw available, you'll get some loyal buyers. Make sure a complete system can be brought home in an afternoon. They're willing to pay for reliable pre-configured disk drives, extra memory, etc. (i.e., complete system...) Advertise in Barron's, Business Week, and US News and World Report. The real trend is going to more distributed systems working under a mainframe for data security and availability. Do some marketing surveys; see what their needs are. This market's loyalty has been Big Blue (read IBM). But now IBM isn't keeping up with their needs. Even a PS/2 80 isn't really a workstation; just a really fast (BIG #(*@&^%ing DEAL!!!) PClone. They're on the lookout for a good home system that helps with office work. They don't want to jump into a SUN and find it's overkill. > >So I'd say the bottom line is that real reason to want a Mac ][ is the >software. It makes Mac software fast enough to be palatable, and there's >something to be said for that. I'd give a lot to have Microsoft Word >or Adobe Illustrator on the Amiga, but then again, I'd much rather have a >$7000 Amiga... I'd pay $1.5K for a Mac+ just to run ONLY HyperCard (I probably will in the next year). >In any case, this discussion is tending more and more towards >religion, so I motion we adjourn... > -- Jim You bet. Criteria: If you're not adding INFORMATION (as opposed to opion) to the net, e-mail or, if you're being really opinionated, write a mail message to yourself. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ But hey, its the best country in the world! Thomas W. Sarver "The complexity of a system is proportional to the factorial of its atoms. One can only hope to minimize the complexity of the micro-system in which one finds oneself." -TWS Addendum: "... or migrate to a less complex micro-system." tws@beach.cis.ufl.edu
cthulhu@athena.mit.edu (Jim Reich) (08/06/88)
In article <16896@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> tws@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Thomas Sarver) writes: >>>>So the real point is where is the Amiga 4000? >Unfortunately, all this discussion is going to be passe as of next week. >They say Jobs is introducing the 68030-based Nubus machine. So little is >known about it, that it isn't even said to have Mac compatibility (unlikely, >but possible). Mac compatibility is pretty unlikely, considering that Jobs isn't with Apple anymore... and as for the 68030, I forgot to say to buy a CSA 68030 board... (BTW, has anyone out there tried one? Does it use all the 68030's features? Does it support Memory Management compatibly with the A2620?) -- Jim