[comp.sys.amiga] Graphics

cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (08/04/88)

In article <2191@ihlpm.ATT.COM> jmdavis@ihlpm.ATT.COM (Davis) writes:
>Having priced flicker fixers at $550 I am wondering, "Isn't this
>a bit silly?"

No, it isn't. The FlickerFixer (TM) gives flicker free 640 X 400 displays
without a loss of animation capability or color saturation. I have a 
long persistence monitor on my 1000 and the colors are a) less saturated,
and b) easier to smear. Now for many things this is no problem at all,
with starglider two I am starting to see some trails following various bits
of debris.

Graphics in general :

When I was working on Intel's graphics chip the 82786 (and the 82716 to 
some extent) the marketing people divided graphics into essentiall 4 
camps. 
	o None - These are the people who can and do get by with little
		ascii characters or VT100 graphics characters. Really
		boring.
	o Scientific - Black and white graphics. The more points
		addressable the better. The minimum was 640 X 400, most
		preferred the 1024 X 768 of the Tek 4010, then the 4016
		hit and that was all the rage. For these guys and gals
		resolution is everything.
	o Business - 8 color graphics. Why 8? Because thats how many
		pens there are on your basic HP plotter. The business
		people want _impact_ but don't care as much about
		rendering. They want to plot profits in black and losses
		in red and maybe draw a border in yellow. They use 
		color to convey additional information. 640 X 350 is
		probably their minimum, but they really like the output
		of those plotters. 
	o Professionals - 16,000,000 color graphics. These are the image
		processing and graphics arts types folks. They want to
		display color photographs. Generally 512 X 512 is a minimum
		for these folks, although the current state of the art is
		more like 1600 X 1200. 

Now this was how Intel saw it and I agree with their assesment to a large
extent. Generally, they believed the 256 out of 16M colors was the best
compromise for the business/professional crowds. Why ? Because while
the systems were generally more expensive they weren't so much so that
the business people wouldn't buy them, and while they weren't as capable
as the pros wanted they were sufficient for the grunge work. Clearly there
is a lot of middle ground here and most system designers know it. 


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Chad_The-Walrus_Netzer@cup.portal.com (08/07/88)

In a previous article <Chuck 'The Man!' McManis) (Just kidding Chuck) writes:
)No, it isn't. The FlickerFixer (TM) gives flicker free 640 X 400 displays
)without a loss of animation capability or color saturation. I have a 
)long persistence monitor on my 1000 and the colors are a) less saturated,
)and b) easier to smear. Now for many things this is no problem at all,
)with starglider two I am starting to see some trails following various bits
)of debris.

	Well, FlickerFixer doesn't run animation too well either, since it
buffers the last frame (basically), you'll generally have 'left_overs' after
anything moves a significant amount between frames.  These 'Left_overs' take
the form of little 'lines' that are still buffered.  It can actually be worse
(at times) than the phospher decay of a long persistence monitor (an opinion,
of course).  Next time you go down to HT Electronics, try moving the mouse
semi-rapidly on their FlixerFix'ed 2000, and you'll see what I mean.
	Therefore, it is hard to say what is better... In non-interlace, the
flicker fixer may not buffer the display (I'm not sure), and thus the problem
will disappear.  this, of course, is not the case on the long-persistence
monitor...
	Hmmm. I had no idea you worked on the 82786...  All in all, it was a
very nice little graphics processor, and probably would have done much better
had Texas Instruments not done something dynamite! (Being the 34720(?) or
whatever) BTW, is that where the 'pepper' comes from in your mailer (ie.
related to the 'Pepper' board?)
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