cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (07/28/88)
On BIX Lattice said that they would be showing their source level debugger
at AmiExpo in Chicago. Did anyone who went see it? If so how about a
paragraph describing it in broad strokes (user interface, etc)
--Chuck McManis
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These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.kjohn@richp1.UUCP (John K. Counsulatant) (07/29/88)
In article <61642@sun.uucp> cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: >On BIX Lattice said that they would be showing their source level debugger >at AmiExpo in Chicago. Did anyone who went see it? If so how about a >paragraph describing it in broad strokes (user interface, etc) > > >--Chuck McManis Naw, Lattice lied :-). I did not see any sort of SDB at LAttice's Booth, although I did see a SDB for Lattice compilers at another booth (they were selling it, not demoing it). It is a generic SDB that's been mentioned here on the net a few times so I won't go into details........ KJohn -- v Amiga /// v Being a consultant, none of my opions represent anything real v | Man /// 500 | or imaginary, except maybe my own opions, but then again .... | | \\\/// 1000 +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ^ \XX/ 2000 ^ "I didn't do it, it must be a bug in the operating system. ^
foy@aero.ARPA (Richard Foy) (08/01/88)
In article <340@richp1.UUCP> kjohn@richp1.UUCP (John K. Counsulatant) writes: ...... > > Naw, Lattice lied :-). I did not see any sort of SDB at LAttice's > Booth, although I did see a SDB for Lattice compilers at another > booth (they were selling it, not demoing it). It is a generic SDB > that's been mentioned here on the net a few times so I won't go > into details........ > > KJohn > >-- >v Amiga /// v Being a consultant, none of my opions represent anything real v >| Ma... I missed the discussion on the generic SDB debugger. Please say a few words about who sells it and how it performs on teh Amiga. Richard Foy
lel@wuphys.UUCP (Lyle E. Levine) (08/02/88)
In article <340@richp1.UUCP> kjohn@richp1.UUCP (John K. Counsulatant) writes: >In article <61642@sun.uucp> cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: >>On BIX Lattice said that they would be showing their source level debugger >>at AmiExpo in Chicago. Did anyone who went see it? If so how about a >>paragraph describing it in broad strokes (user interface, etc) >> >> >>--Chuck McManis > > Naw, Lattice lied :-). I did not see any sort of SDB at LAttice's > Booth, although I did see a SDB for Lattice compilers at another > booth (they were selling it, not demoing it). It is a generic SDB > that's been mentioned here on the net a few times so I won't go > into details........ > > KJohn Sorry, but Lattice WAS showing their SDB for Lattice. I didn't write about it before since I didn't get a very good look at it and don't have much experience using debuggers (except for the useful printf...). Anyway, I saw John Toebes sitting there and not looking busy so I asked about Lattice 5.0. It is due out in the fall and will include the new SDB free of charge. The user interface looks excellent. The thing is fully intuitionized with multiple windows and full menus for everything. Rather than giving an incomplete list of what it does, I'd recommend contacting Lattice for full details. All in all, I'd say I was very impressed with what I saw. I can hardly wait for my upgrade notice! Oh yes... Lattice 5.0 also will include a global optimizer. Sounds nice, huh? ========== IBM is a Division of Sirius Cybernetics Corporation "their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws." - "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish" Lyle Levine: Paths -> ihnp4!wuphys!lel Best way: (314)889-6379 uunet!wucs!wuphys!lel
toebes@sas.UUCP (John Toebes) (08/04/88)
In article <340@richp1.UUCP> kjohn@richp1.UUCP (John K. Counsulatant) writes: >In article <61642@sun.uucp> cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: >>On BIX Lattice said that they would be showing their source level debugger >>at AmiExpo in Chicago. Did anyone who went see it? If so how about a >>paragraph describing it in broad strokes (user interface, etc) >>--Chuck McManis > Naw, Lattice lied :-). I did not see any sort of SDB at LAttice's > Booth ... > KJohn We certainly did show a debugger to anyone who asked. Lattice is not interested in marketing new products until they are ready. We have a strong comittment to what is available now that the users can use and as such emphasized the current products. As for comments on how the debugger, I would not be the one to make them (that would be biased :-) so you might ask some of those people who saw it. /*---------------------All standard Disclaimers apply---------------------*/ /*----Working for but not officially representing SAS or Lattice Inc.-----*/ /*----John A. Toebes, VIII usenet:...!mcnc!rti!sas!toebes-----*/ /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
walker@sas.UUCP (Doug Walker) (08/05/88)
In article <340@richp1.UUCP> kjohn@richp1.UUCP (John K. Counsulatant) writes: > > Naw, Lattice lied :-). I did not see any sort of SDB at LAttice's > Booth, although I did see a SDB for Lattice compilers at another Boy, is John Toebes going to be upset that he spent the whole time at AmiExpo demoing CPR (the Lattice source-level debugger) and nobody noticed. YES, Lattice DID demo their new source-level debugger. No release date has been announced because they do not want to get into the 'RSN syndrome'.
blubaugh@ucqais.uc.edu (Dwight Blubaugh) (08/05/88)
In article <586@sas.UUCP>, toebes@sas.UUCP (John Toebes) writes: > In article <340@richp1.UUCP> kjohn@richp1.UUCP (John K. Counsulatant) writes: > >In article <61642@sun.uucp> cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: > >>On BIX Lattice said that they would be showing their source level debugger > >>at AmiExpo in Chicago. Did anyone who went see it? If so how about a > >>paragraph describing it in broad strokes (user interface, etc) > >>--Chuck McManis > > Naw, Lattice lied :-). I did not see any sort of SDB at LAttice's > > Booth ... > > KJohn > We certainly did show a debugger to anyone who asked. Lattice is not > interested in marketing new products until they are ready. We have a strong > comittment to what is available now that the users can use and as such > emphasized the current products. As for comments on how the debugger, > I would not be the one to make them (that would be biased :-) so you might > ask some of those people who saw it. > > /*---------------------All standard Disclaimers apply---------------------*/ > /*----Working for but not officially representing SAS or Lattice Inc.-----*/ > /*----John A. Toebes, VIII usenet:...!mcnc!rti!sas!toebes-----*/ > /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ Well I saw the debugger ( I was nosey and asked ) and it looked pretty good. I was impressed in its various modes of presentation of the source. straight c assembler intermix of above two Also impressive was the breakpoint capability. you could break after n times past a break, break on variable changes (even register variables) and other things I don't really remember. What Lattice was very insistent about was that they needed ideas and suggestions about what features people really need in a debugger. I would say that I have found SDB unweildy with its window to front stuff that it does in single stepping mode. I have to reactivate my own windows every time SDB pops up for a hello message. I didn't get a chance to ask Lattice about how their debugger will work with the IFF pgtb stuff they presented at DEVCON. Both a source level debugger and trace back capability could prove interesting. I hope that Lattice get the debugger out by fall because I will switch back to lattice C when they do. -- president of Ohio Valley Amiga Users Group (Cincinnati Ohio P.O. Box 428539) It's good to be king! UUCP: {decuac,mit-eddie,phri,pyramid}!uccba!ucqais!blubaugh USMAIL: Dept of Chemistry ML172, University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati OH 45221
ins_adjb@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Daniel Jay Barrett) (08/05/88)
In article <586@sas.UUCP> toebes@sas.UUCP (John Toebes) writes: >We certainly did show a debugger to anyone who asked. Lattice is not >interested in marketing new products until they are ready. Sorry if this sounds snide... but I *have* seen dozens of Lattice "C++" ads for the past several months. Therefore, I must assume that C++ has been "ready" for the past several months? -- Dan Barrett ins_adjb@jhunix.UUCP barrett@cs.jhu.edu
filip@alberta.UUCP (Don Filipchuk) (08/05/88)
(John Toebes) writes: >We certainly did show a debugger to anyone who asked. Lattice is not >interested in marketing new products until they are ready. We have a strong >comittment to what is available now that the users can use and as such >emphasized the current products.... [stuff deleted] >/*-----All standard Disclaimers apply--- John A. Toebes, VIII ----*/ That's terrific! A source level debugger is on it's way! And version 5 of Lattice C ! Glad to hear it... Just wanted to mention, yesterday I got something in the mail from Lattice (nope, not the new newsletter yet, still waiting on that one...) but the point is, I *GOT SOMETHING IN THE MAIL* from Lattice. It's just nice to see from a software company ... they apparantly haven't forgotten about their customers (ie. me). Just wanted to give some credit where I felt it was due... Don -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Don Filipchuk | "... with human females, I must | | | restrain myself too much. They are | | University of Alberta | quite fragile." | | Edmonton, Alberta | | | Canada | - Lt. Worf -- | |------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Disclaimer : I hardly ever know what I'm talking about. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
toebes@sas.UUCP (John Toebes) (08/08/88)
In article <6773@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> ins_adjb@jhunix.UUCP (Daniel Jay Barrett) writes: >In article <586@sas.UUCP> toebes@sas.UUCP (John Toebes) writes: >>We certainly did show a debugger to anyone who asked. Lattice is not >>interested in marketing new products until they are ready. > > Sorry if this sounds snide... but I *have* seen dozens of >Lattice "C++" ads for the past several months. Therefore, I must >assume that C++ has been "ready" for the past several months? >Dan Barrett ins_adjb@jhunix.UUCP No, you can assume that someone jumped the gun (by accident) along with magazine lead times. Once it happens, the best you can do is let people know what is going on and ensure it doesn't happen again. With the 4.0 product, we missed the ship date by 7 days (due to printer delays) and only had an advertisement out the month ahead. 3.10 was handled similarly. The basic philosophy I have followed with the product is that 'you can only program with what is on the shelf'. Pre-advertisement (AKA RSN) doesn't help. /*---------------------All standard Disclaimers apply---------------------*/ /*----Working for but not officially representing SAS or Lattice Inc.-----*/ /*----John A. Toebes, VIII usenet:...!mcnc!rti!sas!toebes-----*/ /*------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
walker@sas.UUCP (Doug Walker) (08/10/88)
In article <1483@ucqais.uc.edu> blubaugh@ucqais.uc.edu (Dwight Blubaugh) writes: > I didn't get a chance to ask Lattice about how their debugger will >work with the IFF pgtb stuff they presented at DEVCON. Both a source >level debugger and trace back capability could prove interesting. >I hope that Lattice get the debugger out by fall because I will switch back >to lattice C when they do. A couple of points: 1. Although I work for SAS, and SAS owns Lattice, I have nothing to do with C compiler development, so these comments are all my impressions from seeing the stuff, alpha testing it, and informal conversations with John Toebes. 2. The IFF PGTB stuff was not presented by Lattice, it was presented by the Software Distillery (of which both John and I are members.) The Distillery is working on support for the PGTB in the form of a TB program to let you get a traceback, etc. The form is intended to be entirely non-partisan, not a Lattice-only thing. That way any tools that come out to deal with PGTB forms will work on anybody's PGTB forms. 3. One feature that has been discussed for the debugger, although I'm not sure if it actually got into the first version, is the ability to load a PGTB-format file and actually allow you to do a post-mortem 'debugging session' on a dead program. Since part of the PGTB file is the stack at the time of failure, enough information is available on local variables and so forth that you would be able to examine them after the fact, even if you weren't in the debugger when it died.
kjohn@richp1.UUCP (John K. Counsulatant) (08/12/88)
In article <321@cadomin.UUCP> filip@cadomin.UUCP (Don Filipchuk) writes: >(John Toebes) writes: >>We certainly did show a debugger to anyone who asked. Lattice is not >>interested in marketing new products until they are ready. We have a strong >>comittment to what is available now that the users can use and as such >>emphasized the current products.... [stuff deleted] >>/*-----All standard Disclaimers apply--- John A. Toebes, VIII ----*/ > > > > That's terrific! A source level debugger is on it's way! > And version 5 of Lattice C ! Glad to hear it... > [...] I am sorry, I spoke to John Tobbes at AmiEXPO, but didn't realize that the display he had up was the Source Debugger (duh). I saw it displaying the output of a "lines" like demo and the source. I just wasn't thinking real hard when I posted my negative notice. I DID NOT HAVE IT DEMOed TO ME, but I didn't ask either :-). I APPOLGIZE TO John, Lattice, ..... Bad KJohn Bad KJohn -- | Amiga /// | Being a consultant, none of my opions represent anything real | | Man /// 500 | or imaginary, except maybe my own opions, but then again .... | | \\\/// 1000 +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | \XX/ 2000 | "I didn't do it, it must be a bug in the operating system." |
andrew@alberta.UUCP (Andrew Folkins) (08/15/88)
>(John Toebes) writes: >>We certainly did show a debugger to anyone who asked. Lattice is not >>interested in marketing new products until they are ready. We have a strong >>comittment to what is available now that the users can use and as such >>emphasized the current products.... [stuff deleted] >>/*-----All standard Disclaimers apply--- John A. Toebes, VIII ----*/ Great stuff! I've been waiting for one of these. My question is, will it allow me to debug multiple execution threads? It's real fun trying to stick printf()'s inside tasks :-). -- Andrew Folkins ...ihnp4!alberta!andrew The University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Remember, when all else is said and done, at least *we* have someplace to park our keyboards.