cosell@bbn.com (Bernie Cosell) (09/03/88)
I'm a bit stuck on the fourth scenario of F/A-18 (the "retrieve the stolen F16s" one). I'd appreciate a bit of advice on what you're _really_ supposed to be doing. Here's my reading (stripping away the "story line") on that scenario: catch up with the convoy. Coerce the Migs to shoot at you. Once one of 'em shoots at you, shoot booth the migs down. Then go and catch up with the F16s and lead them back to Moffett. My problem: I can do everything up to the last part. *HOW* do you get the F16s to follow you? [and I have a couple of other similar questions: what happens if you shoot-first and just nail the MiGs? Assuming this will result in an "unuccessful mission", is there some way to get their attention sooner rather than later? [some pointers avoiding incoming missiles would be nice, too... generally I can do OK, but I'm not sure quite why or how: I don't really have a plan for evading missles]. Also (pushing my luck) a real what-you're-supposed-to-do rundown of the last two scenarios (which I haven't seen anything of yet, of course), would be nice. Thanks! __ / ) Bernie Cosell /--< _ __ __ o _ BBN Sys & Tech, Cambridge, MA 02238 /___/_(<_/ (_/) )_(_(<_ cosell@bbn.com
zlhb0a@apctrc.uucp (Lawrence H. Brown) (09/06/88)
In article <29314@bbn.COM> cosell@BBN.COM (Bernie Cosell) writes: >I'm a bit stuck on the fourth scenario of F/A-18 (the "retrieve the stolen >F16s" one). I'd appreciate a bit of advice on what you're _really_ supposed OK, here's what cha do: 1. Head straight for the Convoy, and splash the MIGS (don't wait). 2. Come up from behind (*270 degree course*) on the 2 F-16s 3. Match Speeds and put yourself between them, just a teensy bit (1 length or 2) ahead of them. 4. Smile at 'em, take pictures, etc. after a few seconds, you get the congrats message and they whip back. 5. Land back on the carrier. Incidentally, if you wait long enough after step 5, the 2 planes will start flying back out to sea. Then you can go have fun practicing your gunnery skills. (They fly straight and level-- you can dump it right into their exhasts at point blank range--FUN!) I actually "bumped" one from behind (I suffered minor struct. dam) and he crashed. Good luck on the last one, I haven't succeeded yet. Also seem to have the dangest trouble with the rescue mission, any suggestions?!? Lawrence H. Brown USENET: ...!uunet!apctrc!zlhb0a or zlhb0a@apctrc.uucp (?) Phone: (918-660-4389) 24 hrs, voice. USmail: 7325 E. 50th, Tulsa, OK 74145 "No. Amiga is not dead. Hell, it's not even tired."---Leo L. Schwab
bdjst@cisunx.UUCP (Ratso) (09/07/88)
In article <29314@bbn.COM> cosell@BBN.COM (Bernie Cosell) writes: >I'm a bit stuck on the fourth scenario of F/A-18 (the "retrieve the stolen >F16s" one). I'd appreciate a bit of advice on what you're _really_ supposed >*HOW* do you get the F16s to follow you? [and I have a couple of >other similar questions: what happens if you shoot-first and just nail the >MiGs? Assuming this will result in an "unuccessful mission", is there some way >to get their attention sooner rather than later? [some pointers avoiding >incoming missiles would be nice, too... generally I can do OK, but I'm not sure >quite why or how: I don't really have a plan for evading missles]. > >Also (pushing my luck) a real what-you're-supposed-to-do rundown of the last >two scenarios (which I haven't seen anything of yet, of course), would be nice. >Thanks! I just go shoot down everything as soon as I can. I never got the F-16's to follow me and I always shot the migs down right away. As for the last two missions. The fifth is a shoot down a cruise missle. Sidewinders work best. But you have to get very close. The last I didn't quite understand. You have to get the enemy submarine/aircraft carrier. I shot quitea few missles into it, but never sunk it. But after shooting all the planes and one more cruise missle down it came up with the congradulations and I landed. hope this helps, Ben
sanders@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Robert M Sanders) (09/08/88)
I'm still working on getting past the 6th mission. I've done it once, but
don't know how. Regarding the F-16's mission, I've done that one without
firing at the MIG's first. For the rescue mission, I always launch from the
carrier and stay level, hit the afterburner and turn directly for the island.
Once I'm within 10 miles or so of the island, slow to 40%-50% power, and
stay under 100 feet. Magnify to 4x, and point straight at the downed pilot.
You can see his chute in front of the island, a little to the right I believe.
Then I change the view to look from the behind right view (returning to normal
magnification), and eye-ball the drop. Sometimes I'll lower the gear to slow
down more. If you miss, you've got to return to the carrier to get another
rescue kit.
Does anyone know exactly what needs to be done for the 6th mission? I've hit
that carrier with all 6 missiles, every round in the guns, and even landed on
the blasted thing, to no avail. I've gotten by it once, but I haven't the
foggiest how I did it.
Robdavidg@killer.DALLAS.TX.US (David Guntner) (09/08/88)
From article <1868@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU>, by sanders@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Robert M Sanders): > Does anyone know exactly what needs to be done for the 6th mission? I've hit > that carrier with all 6 missiles, every round in the guns, and even landed on > the blasted thing, to no avail. I've gotten by it once, but I haven't the > foggiest how I did it. Boy, that's one I'd like to know myself! I'm managed to toast all of the MIG's that it send at you (so that the air is completely clear of them), blast the carrier with a full load of missiles, return to my carrier for another load of missiles, blast the carrier again, but nothing seems to impress (read: sink) it.... --Dave -- David Guntner UUCP: {ames, mit-eddie}!killer!davidg INET: davidg@killer.DALLAS.TX.US "...Different ship, but she's got a good name. Treat --Admiral L. McCoy her like a lady, and she'll always bring you home." "Encounter at Farpoint"
zlhb0a@apctrc.uucp (Lawrence H. Brown) (09/08/88)
OK, Here's what I did.
1. Lanch from carrier
2. retract gear and activate equipment
3. level flight
4. reduce speed to get under 100 ft
5. go to full afterburners (I'm not patient)
6. Hit sub with at least one missile (fired 3 but at least one missed and one hit)
7. Come back around and deal with fighters
8. land on carrier if nessasary (What I did: after hitting the sub I turned
around and went to max altitude and flew
straight back to enterprise, reloaded, and
fought the migs. Went back, reloaded and
went back after the sub again...)
9. Head back for sub and waste latecoming Mig.
10. Victory message.
Be warned: sometime the sub mixes the deck and throws in a cruise missile,
so do a positive id on each plane as you sneak underneath the radar.
Lawrence H. Brown
USENET: ...!uunet!apctrc!zlhb0a or zlhb0a@apctrc.uucp (?)
Phone: (918-660-4389) 24 hrs, voice. USmail: 7325 E. 50th, Tulsa, OK 74145
"No. Amiga is not dead. Hell, it's not even tired."---Leo L. Schwabwbt@cbnews.ATT.COM (William B. Thacker) (09/09/88)
In article <5447@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> davidg@killer.DALLAS.TX.US (David Guntner) writes: >From article <1868@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU>, by sanders@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Robert M Sanders): >> Does anyone know exactly what needs to be done for the 6th mission? I've hit >> that carrier with all 6 missiles, every round in the guns, and even landed on >> the blasted thing, to no avail. I've gotten by it once, but I haven't the >> foggiest how I did it. > >Boy, that's one I'd like to know myself! I'm managed to toast all of the MIG's >that it send at you (so that the air is completely clear of them), blast the >carrier with a full load of missiles, return to my carrier for another load >of missiles, blast the carrier again, but nothing seems to impress (read: sink) >it.... I find this game very infuriating; the way to win has nothing to do with what you're told to do. For the carrier sub, you win the scenario by shooting down all aircraft and cruise missiles that are launched by the sub. Shooting the sub gets you nothing, despite your direct orders to damage the sub. I've won repeatedly without even *sighting* the damned thing ! If you come in high (over 100 feet) the sub seems to launch a cruise missile; naturally, you've got to get that fast or you'll never catch it. But you can take your time with the MiG's. For Scenario 4, it's another case of "Ignore orders, just shoot-em-up !". Rather than trying to bait the MiG's into shooting you, and force the F16's home, the only way I've been able to succeed is to fly a course that brings me in behind the MiG's and '16's, spash both MiG's, blast one of the F16's, and then the other usually surrenders (i.e., you get the congratulations). Sometimes you have to kill both F16's. Someday I'll figure out why some programmer would be stupid enough to give you instructions that misleading... The Rescue scenario is also a pain, as they don't bother to equip your plane with conveniences like, oh, bombsights; it's strictly a guessing game as to when to drop the rescue pod. Perhaps that's why the Navu uses *helicopters* for air-sea rescue ! Despite these gripes, F/A 18 is still a great game. I love to crank my stereo and then hit the afterburners; you can almost *feel* the acceleration ! ------------------------------ valuable coupon ------------------------------- Bill Thacker cbosgd!cbema!wbt "C" combines the power of assembly language with the flexibility of assembly language. Disclaimer: Farg 'em if they can't take a joke ! ------------------------------- clip and save --------------------------------
zlhb0a@apctrc.uucp (Lawrence H. Brown) (09/14/88)
In article <1115@cbnews.ATT.COM> (William B. Thacker) writes: >In article <5447@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> (David Guntner) writes: >>From article <1868@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU>, (Robert M Sanders): = =I find this game very infuriating; the way to win has nothing to do with =what you're told to do. = =For Scenario 4, it's another case of "Ignore orders, just shoot-em-up !". =Rather than trying to bait the MiG's into shooting you, and force the =F16's home, the only way I've been able to succeed is to fly a course =that brings me in behind the MiG's and '16's, spash both MiG's, blast =one of the F16's, and then the other usually surrenders (i.e., you get =the congratulations). Sometimes you have to kill both F16's. = =Someday I'll figure out why some programmer would be stupid enough to =give you instructions that misleading... ===================================================== No grasshoppah, one must become like the wind, not like a water balloon! Splashing the '16's is a no-no! Here, try this: 1. Takeoff, go to full 'burners and waste the MIGS. 2. Come up behind the 16's and pass them with as little difference in speed as possible...get just in front of them. 3. After a few moments you should get the message. Be sure you pass between 'em as close and a close relative-velocity-wise as possible. It may take as much as a minute but then they'll peel off and go home. Lawrence H. Brown USENET: ...!uunet!apctrc!zlhb0a or zlhb0a@apctrc.uucp (?) Phone: (918-660-4389) 24 hrs, voice. USmail: 7325 E. 50th, Tulsa, OK 74145 "No. Amiga is not dead. Hell, it's not even tired."---Leo L. Schwab