tjm@nsscb.UUCP (Timothy J. Murphy) (08/29/88)
Has anyone seen "Betrayed" with Debra Winger? If so, did you notice
the computer used by the farmer? An Amiga 500. They had goofy sound effects,
like the standard "dt-dt-dtdtdt-dt" as letters scrolled across the screen,
and the voice synthesizer was also used...The overall purpose of having the
computer was awful, however; it was used as a telecomm link in a nutcase
white supremacist data network...Once more, Amiga in the limelight...
Just thought you'd like to know,
Tim
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\________________________________________________\|baron@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Baron Fujimoto) (08/30/88)
> > Has anyone seen "Betrayed" with Debra Winger? If so, did you notice >the computer used by the farmer? An Amiga 500. They had goofy sound effects, >like the standard "dt-dt-dtdtdt-dt" as letters scrolled across the screen, >and the voice synthesizer was also used...The overall purpose of having the >computer was awful, however; it was used as a telecomm link in a nutcase >white supremacist data network...Once more, Amiga in the limelight... > Tim out of curiosity, where else have amiga's been seen in the movies? offhand, all I can think of is _The Disorderlies_ where one gets mangled by a Fat Boy, and _Prince of Darkness_ where one of the researchers is using it to help translate an old text. neither of these movies show the amiga showing off in any capacity, but heck... at least I recognized them! :-) -- INTERNET: baron@uuccux.uucc.hawaii.edu | BITNET: baron@uhccux.bitnet | "Make beans into peas!" ICBM: 21 19 N 157 52 W |
sjk@utastro.UUCP (Scot Kleinman) (08/30/88)
Since everyoneis talking about seeing the Amiga in various movies, I thought I might add that there was an A1000 in Alf last night. It was in a lab where Alf was dreaming he was being kept. They didn't show it much, but it was definately an Amiga! Now, if only the computer media would recognize the Amiga as well! Scot sjk@astro.as.utexas.edu
ali@polya.Stanford.EDU (Ali T. Ozer) (08/30/88)
In article <2314@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu> Baron Fujimoto writes: >out of curiosity, where else have amiga's been seen in the movies? In "Three Men and a Baby" there was an Amiga 1000 that sat on a table in the entrance hall. They didn't use it for anything, but you can see it in the background in some of the scenes. By the way does anyone else hate the Wrigley's gum commercial on TV as much as I do? For some reason I hate it with a passion. (This is the commercial with the talking computer.) I'm glad they didn't use an Amiga for that! Ali Ozer, aozer@NeXT.com
cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (08/31/88)
Also the main illustrator for Analog (the SF magazine) clearly uses an Amiga
for "computer" inspiration. In the last few issues every computer illustration
was an Amiga 1000 (although never labeled as such). What was even more
interesting to me was that illustration to Delaney's "And Nothing But the Truth"
in the July 88 issue is just a 3.5" disk but the disk label has the Amiga
Checkmark on it !
--Chuck McManis
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These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.hobie@sq.uucp (Hobie Orris) (09/02/88)
Baron Fujimoto (baron@uhccux.UUCP) writes: >> >> Has anyone seen "Betrayed" with Debra Winger? If so, did you notice >>the computer used by the farmer? An Amiga 500. They had goofy sound effects, > >out of curiosity, where else have amiga's been seen in the movies? offhand, >all I can think of is _The Disorderlies_ where one gets mangled by a Fat Boy, >-- >INTERNET: baron@uuccux.uucc.hawaii.edu | There was an Amiga 1000 in a Canadian movie "Family Viewing", shown at the Toronto film festival last year (in fact it belonged to someone in my user group). Again, the Amiga was in the hands of the "bad guys"; in this case, a private detective surveilling the young hero who was illegally caring for his invalid grandmother in a disused hotel (he had kidnapped her from a hospital). It was hard to tell if they even turned it on because they filmed the detective from behind the monitor, and any "screen shots" were live video (could have been genlock, but I doubt it). Hobie Orris | "I'm checking out of this bourgeois motel - guest of SoftQuad Inc. Toronto | Push myself away from the dinner table and say { backbone }!utzoo!sq!hobie | NO MORE JELLO FOR ME, MOM!"
jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John M. Adams) (09/02/88)
Wait! I know another movie with an Amiga. If you look VERY closely in
Three Men And A Baby...you'll see an Amiga 1000 in one of the rooms.
I think it was a windowed pantry/hall. Makes sense if Tom Selleck played
an architect.
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------phil@titan.rice.edu (William LeFebvre) (09/03/88)
In article <3779@polya.Stanford.EDU> aozer@NeXT.com (Ali T. Ozer) writes: >By the way does anyone else hate the Wrigley's gum commercial on TV as much as >I do? For some reason I hate it with a passion. (This is the commercial with >the talking computer.) I'm glad they didn't use an Amiga for that! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE IT!!!! I don't know why, but I scream in rage and feel like throwing a brick at the TV every time I see it. AARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGH! At least its use seems to be waning. William LeFebvre Department of Computer Science Rice University <phil@Rice.edu>
dillon@CORY.BERKELEY.EDU (Matt Dillon) (09/03/88)
:>> Has anyone seen "Betrayed" with Debra Winger? If so, did you notice :>>the computer used by the farmer? An Amiga 500. They had goofy sound effects, : There was an Amiga 1000 in a Canadian movie "Family Viewing", shown at :the Toronto film festival last year (in fact it belonged to someone in my user :group). Again, the Amiga was in the hands of the "bad guys"; in this case, a Hey, we have one *bad* machine here! It's just too sophisticated for the good guys! <smiley> -Matt
dml@loral.UUCP (Dave Lewis) (09/03/88)
In article <1848@kalliope.rice.edu> phil@Rice.edu (William LeFebvre) writes: >In article <3779@polya.Stanford.EDU> aozer@NeXT.com (Ali T. Ozer) writes: >>By the way does anyone else hate the Wrigley's gum commercial on TV as much as >I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT >I don't know why, but I scream in rage and feel like throwing a brick at Did they switch the newsgroups around when I wasn't looking, or is this still comp.sys.amiga? I'd hate to think I've stumbled into comp.idiot-box.bashing by mistake. Like, inappropriate subject matter, eh? Let's kill this monster while it's still small and relatively defenseless. While on the subject, though - kwitcher bitchin' and DO something about it! Many years ago I got thoroughly disgusted with ads on the idiot box (this was before I got over the addiction) and came up with a little modification: cut one speaker wire, splice a 20' zip cord into the break, and hang an SPST switch on the far end. When the ads start, turn off the switch. I haven't listened to an idiot-box ad in over ten years. The recent popularity of remote-controlled sets makes it even easier - just switch to a dead channel, run the volume down to zero, and switch back. Back to Amigas -- I've never seen one on the new Star Trek (the only show I ever watch). I think I saw an Amiga 1000 on that Friday the 13th show which is (or was) right after Star Trek when I forgot and left the thing on with the sound switch off. It was only for a second as I walked past the set, so I could be wrong. (Doctor, I've been seeing Amigas...) -- Real CAD programs don't have dongles! -- Dave Lewis Loral Instrumentation San Diego (619) 282-3341 ihnp4 --\ bang --\ kontron -\ hp-sdd --\ calmasd ->-> crash ->--> loral!dml sdcrdcf -->--------> sdcsvax -/ (uucp)
rodmar@ga.ecn.purdue.edu (Rodney L Martin) (09/03/88)
I have a couple of questions about CMI's 68000 2x board.
I have the Spirit inboard installed in an A1000. Can the 68000 2x board be
jury rigged to work with the Spirit board? Such as:
Spirit Board ---> 68000 2x Board ---> Motherboard
I realize this would require modification to the Spirit board.
If so, would I have to change PAL chips also?
Any suggestions?? Thanks!
Rod Martin
baer@percival.UUCP (Ken Baer) (09/05/88)
In article <1832@loral.UUCP> dml@loral.UUCP (Dave Lewis) writes: > Back to Amigas -- I've never seen one on the new Star Trek (the only show I >ever watch). >-- >Dave Lewis Loral Instrumentation San Diego (619) 282-3341 Well, last June, I got to talk with Rick Sternback, the Illustrator for the new Star Trek series. I was showing him some Trek related animation that did with our products on the Amiga. He informed me that they had just bought a bunch of Mac II's. They are remodeling the Bridge set, and wanted actual video displays for some of the control panels, rather than backlit cells. He said they looked at Amigas and Mac II's. The Mac II they saw had the 1024x780 card with 256 simultaneous colors and a Multisynch monitor. He said, it blew them away so they got those. It looks like we'll have similar capabilities on the Amiga, in the near future. But, they wanted it NOW and not RSN. Paramount makes 10 million bucks per ST:TNG episode; they can afford the Mac II's. They plan on using them mainly for control panels, with lights that turn on/off, anly some color cycling. They're going to have a harder time if they want to do some sophisticated animation. So, you're not likely to see many Amigas on ST:TNG. I just hope we don't see an Authorized Apple Dealership in the background in episodes taking place on a starbase. -- -Ken Baer. // Hash Enterprises: When the Going gets Wierd, the Wierd go Professional \X/ USENET - baer@percival.UUCP, PLINK - KEN BAER, BIX - kbaer, "while (AINTGOTNOSATISFACTION) { do stuff }" - RJ Mical
jmdavis@ihlpm.ATT.COM (Davis) (09/05/88)
Forgive me it this has been done before... On an "off beat" cable channel I saw an Amiga. The show/movie was a killer-thriller type where a computer at the police station would go into an arcade game of a masked burglar type going into someone's house (to kill them). This was then echoed in real life. (It could have been ShortStories or Tales from the Darkside.) There was an A1000 on an episode of Miami Vice. Saw one last night on Saturday Night Live. -- ________________________________________ | Mike Davis | ..!att!ihlpm!jmdavis |_________________________
mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) (09/08/88)
In article <1353@percival.UUCP> baer@percival.UUCP (Ken Baer) writes: > >Well, last June, I got to talk with Rick Sternback, the Illustrator for the >new Star Trek series. I was showing him some Trek related animation that >did with our products on the Amiga. He informed me that they had just >bought a bunch of Mac II's. There's a little more to it than that. The TNG people were very impressed with the Amiga, Videoscape 3D, beta copies of Modler, etc. and were considering them quite seriously. Apparently, the powers that be only had their minds on impulse power at the time, and turned down Amigas, partly for the following "reason" : "Commodore won't give us the Amigas we need. Therefore, if we're going to have to buy some machines, let's get the Apple thingies." Another reason has to to with the support that Apple could supply (for the right price). What they were hesitant about was the fact that there were no Animation packages released at the time for the Mac, and they wanted dependable software, no Beta stuff. On the whole, they found the Amigas proposed to them somewhat easier to use, and with proven software, but the Apple support ("sure! You need some help? We'll charter a plane, and send down 42 techs tonite!") won them over. -- *** mike (starship janitor) smithwick *** "You can fool some of the people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool Mom". [disclaimer : nope, I don't work for NASA, I take full blame for my ideas]
lupin3@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (-=/ Larry Hastings /=-) (09/10/88)
+-In article <7061@well.UUCP>, ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) wrote:- +---------- | | o Commodore consistently fails to take out a booth at the West Coast | Computer Faire. | +---------- Not QUITE true, but the truth is worse... I believe that they DID have a booth at the West Coast Computer Faire before last, and that they DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE $@%!#+ AMIGA THERE. Just 128's doing 80 columns and monochrome hires. Last year Commodore Magazine was there, again with no Amigas (as memory services). By the way, Leo, an excellent flame, and well deserved. You shouldn't be afraid to flame if they always turn out as well as that one did. P.S. Your efforts at getting the Amiga noticed have not been ignored; Fry's regularly have "The Dream Goes Berzerk" on display at Fremont. -- /|\ /|\ .. . . . . . . . . . . | |\| |\| .. . . . . . . . . . . |/|\|/|\|/|| _ _ _ _ |_| _ _ |_ -__ _ _ARPA: lupin3@ucscb.ucsc.EDU | |/| |/|L_ (_\( ( (_/ | |(_\_) (_ || )(_)_)UUCP: *!ucbvax!ucscc!ucscb!lupin3 \|/ \|/ larry / hastings _/ WORK: sun!acad!metaware!funkster MetaWare "I wish people who have trouble communicating would just shut up."\\\ IncorporateDisclaimer:[MetaWare, UCSC]->opinion!=lhastings->opinion\\\Tom Lehrer
Doug_B_Erdely@cup.portal.com (09/11/88)
Leo, I am shocked that this kind of posting would come from you!!
For starters..... MONEY makes a BIG difference!!! You said money aside...
and then you talk about 60 sec spots during the Super Bowl... Is this
free????? I think not! Everyone seems to forget that during the first 1 1/2 to
2 years of the Amigas life Commodore was in not to good a shape. Came damn
close to bittin the big one. NOW they are in good shape, and THEY a
advertising the Amiga.. And not in Amiga mags... Music, Video and general
interest type mags!
One interesting quote that I heard from Dale Luck I THINK it was....
" we can all make fun of Commodore, but when the do have the money, they have
shown marked tendencies to spend it very wisely" or words to that effect! :> :>
I have been on the Amiga band wagon since THE start, and I can say that there
has been MUCH improvment, more so the last year. I do think that Commodore is
starting to understand, just HOW important the Amiga really is!! Leo, if your
going to post negatives, how about some of the GOOD things that have happend!
Commodore has continued to enhance and yes fix some bugs while another
"off brand" company just makes promises! :> :>
I guess what I am trying to say is chin up... The Amiga is STILL a DAMN
good machine!! And I am surprised at Leo getting upset by hearsay!!
- Doug -
Doug_B_Erdely@Portal.Cup.Comewhac@well.UUCP (Leo L. Schwab) (09/12/88)
In article <8957@cup.portal.com> Doug_B_Erdely@cup.portal.com writes: >Leo, I am shocked that this kind of posting would come from you!! In retrospect, my inflammatory tone and use of unconfirmed Nth-hand rumors was no doubt uncalled for. > One interesting quote that I heard from Dale Luck I THINK it was.... >" we can all make fun of Commodore, but when the do have the money, they have >shown marked tendencies to spend it very wisely" or words to that effect! :> :> Never heard that one before. I like it. > I have been on the Amiga band wagon since THE start, and I can say that there >has been MUCH improvment, more so the last year. I do think that Commodore is >starting to understand, just HOW important the Amiga really is!! Leo, if your >going to post negatives, how about some of the GOOD things that have happend! You are quite correct that, now that Commodore is doing well, they have done many good things: o Amiga 500 Test Flight was, and still is, a great idea. I don't know of any other company that's done this. o "Amiga 2000: The New Art of The Possible" is a fine piece of work. Even better than Test Flight (to me). (While I can sympathize with Eric Daniels' position, I did find it rather odd that he was as upset as he seemed to be about it. Perhaps we have different attitudes toward having our work used commercially.) o They are starting to advertise, apparently profusely, in trade and niche magazines, where the Amiga will no doubt make its greatest impact. o They now seem to be regularly attending Amiga shows. They were at Chicago AmiExpo; I hope they show up at L.A., too. They also attend profoundly important shows, like SIGGRAPH and NCGA. o They continue to improve the OS. I just looked over the 1.3 DOS command specs for the first time (believe it or not), and am pleased. o They hired Bryce Nesbitt. And probably a whole bunch of other things that I can't remember at four in the morning. > [ ... ] I am surprised at Leo getting upset by hearsay!! > The more I think about this, the more I'm inclined to believe that I was vastly out of line. One well-known AmiGuy counter-flamed me quite eloquently (I thought). But it seems so *frustrating* at times. Is this sort of phenomonon common? Are the Apple-][gs/Sinclair-QL/Archimedes owners as depressed as we sometimes are? Upon hearing that the TNG deal fell through, my heart sank, and I was convinced that someone screwed up. Obviously, no one "screwed up". Paramount made the choice they felt was best for them. But emotion blinded me just long enough to launch into an unnecessary flame. I won't say that Commodore hasn't made mistakes, and I won't say that they won't make more of them. However, now that they are back on their feet, the mistakes will, I strongly hope, be much less important and less frequent. And, no, I'm not changing my tune. I'm still upset that we are not "getting the fair shake" I feel we deserve. But the time has probably come for me to stop pointing fingers and get on with doing useful things. I *am* trying to mature, honest. My apologies to those who were taken aback. And now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go back and work on useful things to help make the world a slightly better place. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape INET: well!ewhac@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU \_ -_ Recumbent Bikes: UUCP: pacbell > !{well,unicom}!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "I am one confused individual right now." -- Me
daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) (09/13/88)
Jeeze -- I don't recall Leo getting this worked up about anything!!! BUT -- He is right on the money!!! <<-------- lots of VERY VALID flames deleated ------>>>> > > Why are you so damned silent? The Mac was completely different from >the Apple-][, yet Apple stood behind it 100%. The Amiga was completely ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It does seem to me that CBM does not really want to get the AMIGA in a position to be taken seriously. The sales facilities are marginal at best, the sales pesonnel are (with few exeptions) incompetent, and I don't like arguing the value of an AMIGA with some MAC user, when I have to buy SOMEONE ELSE's font set to get any printouts (Times Roman, Helvitia Olde English etc.) that look even close to professional quality. (I understand that the MAC has good quality fancy fonts standard.) >different from the C-64, and so you stood around scratching your collective >heads saying, "Duh." Apple placed their machines in highly visible places >in stores, and trained the salespeople to know what the machine was and what ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ HEAVY EMPHASIS ON "TRAINED THE SALESPEOPLE"!!!! I have personally seen several potential sales of AMIGA computers lost due to uninterested and untrained sales people. Some of the people that I've seen that are "suppoed" to be selling AMIGA computers I would even let run a paper route!!!!!!! >to show off. Commodore delivered the systems to stores late, and just >dropped them in their laps without so much as a demo disk (Not all dealers >had the WorkBench 1.0 demo disk. My local dealer got his copy from *me*.). > Sometimes I just don't know why I bother anymore. This is scary!!! When people like this (others too not just Leo) start having doubts it's REALLY time to get with it!!!!!!!!! I still see no reason why CBM can't take the AMIGA and REALLY give the Apple folks a run for their money, and still keep the machine affordable. (Some MAC users I know say that the MAC has an order of magnitude mark up on the price over the manufacture cost. It costs something under $300.00 to make, and sells for close to $3000.00 (MAC-II)) And Leo -- Hang in there -- maybe CBM will get it together soon. Besides, LOT's of people like the things you do.!! Dave (Come on CBM -- read the writing on the wall!!) S.
jim@athsys.uucp (Jim Becker) (09/13/88)
From article <7061@well.UUCP>, by ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo L. Schwab): > In article <14515@ames.arc.nasa.gov> mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov.UUCP (Mike Smithwick) writes: > [ include major Commodore flame ] > > Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape INET: well!ewhac@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU This is TRUE. I look at the calendar and note that I finally came to this conclusion a year ago, with *Many* other points to add about CBM. Forget just the announced products that didn't ship, all the working ones that were great that they dropped. And all the stealing of people's work, et al... A full year has passed since my experiences with the Amiga. It's still a great machine, only the names have changed. There have been generations of bright, enthused and interesting people that have taken up the Amiga torch, but they all end up with a messed head from looking at CBMs doings. Now it is a totally new group from those that were programming it a couple of years ago. It's not new names of thriving startup software ventures now, it's just new programmers and hackers playing around with the thing... Anyone out there making a living writting Amiga (non-game) software ?? I think that Commodore is all just a tax writeoff for Irving Gould, they can't be in business to make a successful product family. (That should bring in the lawyers) -Jim Becker
peter@sugar.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (09/13/88)
There is an Atari ST test-flight video, too. It's put out by some company with a product called "Cosmic Paint" or something. Apart from the lack of anti-aliasing it's rather nice. The music is by J. M. Jarre (though I suspect without permission... it sounded like Rendezvous). If you've seen the Amiga stuff it looks pretty crude, but it's superficially quite convincing. The guy at the computer store claimed that you couldn't do anything as good on any computer for under about 20 grand. How did I get him to make such a bizzarre statement? Acted like an IBM owner. I think I clued him in when I started talking about Max Headroom, though. He eventually claimed that "The Amiga can't do this", to which I responded "No, it can do better" and pleaded lack of time. Kind of depressing, actually, considering how much they can do with what they have to work with. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' peter@sugar.uu.net Have you hugged U your wolf today?
tedj@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Ted Johnson) (09/13/88)
>(I understand that the MAC has good quality fancy fonts standard.) That's right! Heh, heh, heh. >(Some MAC users I know say that the MAC has an order of magnitude mark up >on the price over the manufacture cost. It costs something under $300.00 >to make, and sells for close to $3000.00 (MAC-II)) Actually, the Mac II costs > $5k. The Mac SE costs ~$400. in parts, but sells for ~$3000. -Ted "Macintosh. There is no substitute."
rminnich@super.ORG (Ronald G Minnich) (09/13/88)
In article <138@tityus.UUCP> jim@athsys.uucp (Jim Becker) writes: > This is TRUE. I look at the calendar and note that I finally came to >this conclusion a year ago, with *Many* other points to add about CBM. Forget well, that's as may be. I haven't given up yet and my first buy was in Nov. 85, and boy was that a grim time. It looked very much like C= was gonna go belly up. You have to keep in mind, when someone (or corporation) is near death, they do some strange things. Add to this the fact that American corporations do lots of strange things to begin with, and you are in for a strange time. One thing that still kills me is that people look at the machine, and say 'ah, 200 lines, its obsolete'. They don't even THINK about software, and how hard it is to get a good multi-tasking kernel DONE RIGHT, which the Amiga folks did. You read the Bandito who just says 'well, they'll throw multitasking on the Apple IIGS and its all over for the Amiga!' and people BELIEVE it. incredible. Take a look at Multifinder, for example. I told some friends the story about how Microsoft windows blew a product development cycle by a year because while you can run lots of tasks, you can only run ONE copy of any ONE program if you are using extended memory. They said, 'oh yeah, you can't do that on a MAC II either- but its ok 'cause the programs all handle multiple files anyway'. Is this sick or what? After 3 years only Amiga still knows how to do multitasking right! Sorry you got burned, Jim. I gather you were the author of Infominder? Did you know you are still an amiga developer? Your signature says it all: X Windows Developer Thanks to Dale Luck, we may see your stuff soon on the Amiga. Once we have X windows, we have other developers too: HP, Sony, DEC, IBM, all the Athena guys, ..., its gonna be nice. ron
wbralick@icc.afit.arpa (William A. Bralick Jr.) (09/14/88)
How about a leveraged buyout of C=, or to avoid messing with the peecee clones and 8-bits, just buy Amiga from C-A and take it private! After building Amiga into a real market powerhouse sell it back to C= for MEGA$. Will
Doug_B_Erdely@cup.portal.com (09/14/88)
In a article Jim Bekcer says words to the effect....
>Is anyone making money on non-game software for the Amiga??
Superbase seems to be doing well....The folks that do Pro-Video are doing VERY
well.... Your name does not ring a bell.... Unless you did that sorry excuse
for a word proccessor called BeckerText... Please tell me I am wrong!!
**Flame Off***
Sorry guys, just had to do that!!
- Doug -
Doug_B_Erdely@Portal.Cup.Comwayneck@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM (Wayne Knapp) (09/15/88)
In article <727@super.ORG>, rminnich@super.ORG (Ronald G Minnich) writes: > ... After 3 years only Amiga still knows how to do multitasking > right! Maybe, maybe not. OS/9 has been around for a long time on coco's, Atari's, pc's etc. Anyway well a lot of people always talk about multitasking, I just don't think it is such a killer feature. Just look at all the Apple, IBM sales. It seems that most people are willing to live without multitasking or settle for a limited form of multitasking. So while multitasking is a definite plus, I doult if it is the reason for people to buy the Amiga over something else. Wayne Knapp
Doug_B_Erdely@cup.portal.com (09/15/88)
In a article Ted johnson writes....
> The Mac has good printable fonts.. or words to the effect...
This is true... if printout is important to you... the Mac is a machine to
look at... However Gold disk produces Pro-page ONLY for the Amiga... which
does color seperation. And to my knowledge, is the only such program on a
Micro...
On another point... the Amigas strong point is graphics... and I dont mean
in games... Where I work we use Amigas for graphics work in Commercials, etc..
This is THE niche for the Amiga just like DP was/is? for the Mac.
Thanks, but I NEED a good graphics machine with powerful software... and with-
out spending BIG money for a Sun or something like it... the Amiga is hard to
beat.... The Mac ][ is NOT in it.... No graphics software for it.. Inlike
the Amiga..
Doug "Amiga Desktop Video" all the way...
What!!?? A Mac II.... Did'nt they get it right the first time!?
Doug_B_Erdely@Portal.Cup.Comlouie@trantor.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) (09/15/88)
In article <3248@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM> wayneck@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM (Wayne Knapp) writes: > It seems that most people are willing to live without multitasking >or settle for a limited form of multitasking. So while multitasking is a >definite plus, I doult if it is the reason for people to buy the Amiga over >something else. There were two reasons I bought an Amiga: non-brain dead processor (68000) multitasking OS. Prior the the Amiga, the micro I used was an S100 based Z-80 system, built board by board, long before these `PC' things became fashonable. The Amiga was the first affordable computer to come along to give me significantly more capability that that old 48K, 4MHz Z80 with two 180K disk drives. Wow. And I actually did useful work on such a small system. And OS/2 requires, what, that much memory for the second level bootstrap? Louis A. Mamakos WA3YMH Internet: louie@TRANTOR.UMD.EDU University of Maryland, Computer Science Center - Systems Programming
murphy@pur-phy (William J. Murphy) (09/16/88)
I know the title is deceiving, but following the line of the previous poster, I but the Amiga precisely for the multitasking. I did not wish to program in the Apple/MAC environment, I already program in the MS-DOS at school. I am finding that after I am getting past the complexity of an operating system that must become part of your program if you want it to be Amigatized, I REALLY LIKE THE AMIGA!! I also like Turbo-Pascal 4.0 Too bad it's on MS-DOS. BTW, I am trying to get information about the Sun 386i. Is there a group on Usenet for the Sun's? I seem to note that many Amigans use Sun's at work. Specs and reviews are relatively easy to find, but problems and pluses are not found until one really works with a machine day-in and day-out. Please e-mail any comments to me (+-) [no this isn't one of Bob's smiley faces] Thanks Bill Murphy murphy@newton.physics.purdue.edu
dan-hankins@cup.portal.com (09/16/88)
I use multitasking 100% of the time. I wouldn't buy a computer without it. Just as a couple of for instances: 1. I edit all my Usenet articles by running MicroGnuEmacs and a CLI window and DiskMan (soon Browser) concurrently with my terminal program. This frees me from the tyranny of the editors available on my host (vi and ed). I often run other programs at the same time that Xmodem data transfers are taking place. I never want to go back to sitting and waiting for the machine to finish what it's doing before I can start another task 2. MetaScope. I don't have it but I've seen it in operation. 3. I've even formatted disks and transferred Xmodem data simultaneously. There's a large market out there for multitasking, once people get ahold of the idea that the computer is more than a single entity. Often I extol the virtues of multitask, and I get back "I can't do more than one thing at a time. So why should I need such a thing on my computer?" The answer is that people are still thinking of a computer as a single machine or entity. Multitasking becomes more attractive when people grasp the idea that an Amiga is really like having a whole *department* of people working for you. Suddenly they see how silly it is to ask Bill to transfer a file, and have to wait for Bill to finish before asking Bob to format a disk. Dan Hankins
daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) (09/20/88)
Doug, >>In a article Ted johnson writes.... >>> The Mac has good printable fonts.. or words to the effect... >>This is true... if printout is important to you... the Mac is a machine to >>look at... However Gold disk produces Pro-page ONLY for the Amiga... which >>does color seperation. And to my knowledge, is the only such program on a >>Micro... I'm not Ted nor an Worm_food owner ;-) (Jeeze I hope I don't start anything with this IT'sJUST A JOKE!!!) I have an AMIGA. I love it. BUT Good quality printouts for graphics AND text (Fancy stuff like Gothic etc.) Can't be done well without getting some help such as someone else's fonts. I think the AMIGA should have these built in. It's kinda like buying a car, and inflatable tires cost extra. > >---------- Wayne, >> ... After 3 years only Amiga still knows how to do multitasking >> right! > >Maybe, maybe not. OS/9 has been around for a long time on coco's, Atari's, >pc's etc. Anyway well a lot of people always talk about multitasking, I >just don't think it is such a killer feature. Just look at all the Apple, >IBM sales. It seems that most people are willing to live without multitasking >or settle for a limited form of multitasking. So while multitasking is a >definite plus, I doult if it is the reason for people to buy the Amiga over >something else. This is true ONLY if they have not used multitasking machines to any extent. (in MY opinion) I find that when I have to go to a non multitasking, or multitasking windowless system things are painfully more tedious to do. I'm not sure which I like better about the AMIGA -- the graphics or the multitasking. Dave S.
dillon@CORY.BERKELEY.EDU (Matt Dillon) (09/20/88)
:Maybe, maybe not. OS/9 has been around for a long time on coco's, Atari's, :pc's etc. Anyway well a lot of people always talk about multitasking, I :just don't think it is such a killer feature. Just look at all the Apple, :IBM sales. It seems that most people are willing to live without multitasking :or settle for a limited form of multitasking. So while multitasking is a :definite plus, I doult if it is the reason for people to buy the Amiga over :something else. : Wayne Knapp I would say you are dead wrong here. It is precisely the demand for multitasking that has forced Apple and IBM into their premature and incomplete implementations of it. If you just think for a short while you will see why: (1) UNIX is moving towards micros... note existance on Amigas, IBMs, and Mac IIs. UNIX is multitasking. (2) Demands being made of most micros these days are getting nearly impossible to implement without multitasking: ethernet on IBM AT's: slow, undependable, file servers must essentially be dedicated, incompatible net device assignment (i.e. printer device -> net fails with many applications) token ring: same limitations apply. ethernet/appletalk on a Mac: file servers must be dedicated, does not support multiple and multiple-automatic(remote) sessions (having 3 telnet windows does not count... try adding an rwho or finger daemon, eh?) literally hundreds of 'DA's these days on the Mac, IBM, and other micros/oss use hardware interrupts to create their own sort of multitasking (i.e.: background printer spooler) and as such have major incompatibilities with other products which try to use the same trick. (3) Multitasking inherently provides a resource-use model which reduces the number of 'badly written programs' by forcing them to recognize that they cannot dandy about the machine as if they owned it. (This might appear to ascribe that it is more difficult to write programs for multitasking machines. If anything, the reverse is true). -Matt
mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) (09/28/88)
> *Excerpts from ext.nn.comp.sys.amiga: 15-Sep-88 Re: Amiga in cinema (again)* > *Doug_B_Erdely@cup.portal (935)* > In a article Ted johnson writes.... > > The Mac has good printable fonts.. or words to the effect... > This is true... if printout is important to you... the Mac is a machine to > look at... However Gold disk produces Pro-page ONLY for the Amiga... which > does color seperation. And to my knowledge, is the only such program on a > Micro... PageMaker 3.0 supports color separation. --M Michael Portuesi / Information Technology Center / Carnegie Mellon University ARPA/UUCP: mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu BITNET: rainwalker@drycas "my friends say she's a dumb blonde, but they don't know she dyes her hair"