cheung@vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU (Wilson Cheung) (09/28/88)
Well, I just got a cancelled check back in the mail, indicating that ASDG has cashed in on my $100 deposit. Does this mean that there is already sufficient response that ASDG is going ahead on production of the 2000-and-1 box? If not I dont appreciate the fact that ASDG is earning interest, although small, on all deposits sent to them when they have not decided if they want to market the 2000-and-1. Wilson Cheung - Might someone from ASDG respond?
ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) (09/29/88)
[ No! The chicken! The chicken came first! ]
Before I write out the $100 check and send it to ASDG, I want to
know a few things:
o Is there any possibility of bad interaction between my A1000 and
anything I may care to plug into the cage?
o Will Ronin's 68020 piggyback card for the A1000 work with the cage
and anything I plug in it?
o If not, will Ronin's 68020 card for the B2000 work in the cage
along with anything I plug in it?
o Is there space to mount a couple of Syquest removable media
drives? (Not critical right at the moment.)
Basically, I want to expand my A1000 and take advantage of the stuff
for the 2000. I think the time has come for me to get a hard disk, and I
want to do it right (which means a 2090A and a SCSI drive). However, I
really don't like the ergonomics of the 2000, so I'm wondering if I can get
away with just my 1000 and a 2000-and-1.
I want to keep my 68020, and not have to worry about whether or not
this thing is going to interact badly with that thing, or that I need to
have the B-PAL's installed, or that I have to stand on my head facing east.
Whatever it is, I want to plug it in and have it work. flickerFixer and 1M
CHIP RAM aren't important to me at this time.
If the 2000-and-1 will address these problems, then I'll write the
check. Otherwise, I'll settle for the 2000.
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"Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctordavid@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) (09/29/88)
Leo ... why is the 'right thing' to do to have a hard disk in your
system is to buy the 2090A? (The 2090A doesn't do DMA, right? If
it does I'll shut up and go away). While we've been waiting patiently
for the 2090A to come along, Micron (I think) has come out with a
very similar board that does DMA, AND has room on it to become
a 'hard card'.
Yes, I'm about to buy myself a hard disk system too :-)
[just waiting for the shuttle to launch ... T-<so-many-minutes] and
waiting for the upper level winds to die down.]
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<-- What does the phrase "Don't work too hard"
<-- have to do with the decline of the american 'work ethic'?eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (09/29/88)
In article <1925@vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU> cheung@vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU (Wilson Cheung) writes: > > Well, I just got a cancelled check back in the mail, indicating that >ASDG has cashed in on my $100 deposit. Does this mean that there is already >sufficient response that ASDG is going ahead on production of the 2000-and-1 >box? If not I dont appreciate the fact that ASDG is earning interest, although >small, on all deposits sent to them when they have not decided if they >want to market the 2000-and-1. This does not mean that sufficient interest has been received at present. Please re-read the original announcement from ASDG very carefully. It does not say that your check will be returned, it says that your deposit will be refunded if ASDG decides not to produce the 2000-and-1. Banks have a tendency to complain about cashing checks after a certain period of time. ASDG is depositing all checks received for 2000-and-1 deposits in a non-interest bearing account. You could have called first... > Wilson Cheung > >- Might someone from ASDG respond? Eric Lavitsky, ASDG Incorporated ARPA: eric@topaz.rutgers.edu or eric@ulysses.att.com UUCP: {att,ucbvax}!ulysses!eric or {wherever!}rutgers!topaz!eric SNAIL: 34 Maplehurst Ln, Piscataway, NJ 08854 "To err is human; To really f*ck up requires the root password."
eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (09/30/88)
In article <7246@well.UUCP> ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes: >[ No! The chicken! The chicken came first! ] > > Before I write out the $100 check and send it to ASDG, I want to >know a few things: > > o Is there any possibility of bad interaction between my A1000 and > anything I may care to plug into the cage? The 2000-and-1 is guaranteed to meet all Zorro I and II specifications. Any card that also meets these standards will function properly within the 2000-and-1. > o Will Ronin's 68020 piggyback card for the A1000 work with the cage > and anything I plug in it? Unknown - ASDG makes no claims about compatibility with non-standard expansion products. > o If not, will Ronin's 68020 card for the B2000 work in the cage > along with anything I plug in it? As long as it is designed to spec, it will work in the 2000-and-1 CPU slot. > o Is there space to mount a couple of Syquest removable media > drives? (Not critical right at the moment.) There is space for 2 3.5" and 1 5.25" half height devices. If the Syquest drives can fit into such a form factor, you'll be ok. > Basically, I want to expand my A1000 and take advantage of the stuff >for the 2000. I think the time has come for me to get a hard disk, and I >want to do it right (which means a 2090A and a SCSI drive). However, I >really don't like the ergonomics of the 2000, so I'm wondering if I can get >away with just my 1000 and a 2000-and-1. The 2000-and-1 should do just fine for these products as well as whatever Zorro I memory expansion you've got now. > I want to keep my 68020, and not have to worry about whether or not >this thing is going to interact badly with that thing, or that I need to >have the B-PAL's installed, or that I have to stand on my head facing east. >Whatever it is, I want to plug it in and have it work. flickerFixer and 1M >CHIP RAM aren't important to me at this time. You may want to consult directly with Perry and our engineers about this issue at AmiExpo. > If the 2000-and-1 will address these problems, then I'll write the >check. Otherwise, I'll settle for the 2000. Let us know what you decide. >Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape INET: well!ewhac@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Eric Lavitsky, ASDG Incorporated ARPA: eric@topaz.rutgers.edu or eric@ulysses.att.com UUCP: {att,ucbvax}!ulysses!eric or {wherever!}rutgers!topaz!eric SNAIL: 34 Maplehurst Ln, Piscataway, NJ 08854 "To err is human; To really f*ck up requires the root password."
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (09/30/88)
In article <10313@s.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) writes: >Leo ... why is the 'right thing' to do to have a hard disk in your >system is to buy the 2090A? (The 2090A doesn't do DMA, right? If >it does I'll shut up and go away). ^^^^^^^ Yep, you'd better shut up and go away. The 2090 (the one without autoboot), released over a year ago, DOES DMA, and in fact with FFS it has been rated as one of the fastest controllers out there. The 2090A is identical to the 2090 except that it has autoboot ROMs. >While we've been waiting patiently >for the 2090A to come along, Micron (I think) has come out with a >very similar board that does DMA, AND has room on it to become >a 'hard card'. You've ben waiting patiently for nothing :-) -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (09/30/88)
Warning, warning - correction alert! In article <10313@s.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) writes: >Leo ... why is the 'right thing' to do to have a hard disk in your >system is to buy the 2090A? (The 2090A doesn't do DMA, right? If >it does I'll shut up and go away). Yes, the 2090 and 2090A do do DMA, but that is not necessarily a good thing (perhaps I'll post a seperate article on this). >While we've been waiting patiently >for the 2090A to come along, Micron (I think) has come out with a >very similar board that does DMA, AND has room on it to become >a 'hard card'. Entirely untrue. In fact, seems like Micron has plans to pull out of the Amiga market. They'd much rather sell 2 Meg boards to the IBM folks who are more willing to shell out $900 for 2 Meg... "Americas' Memory Manafacturer" ... right >Yes, I'm about to buy myself a hard disk system too :-) I'd recommend you consider the GVP controller ... >[just waiting for the shuttle to launch ... T-<so-many-minutes] and > waiting for the upper level winds to die down.] >-- ><-- David Herron; The official MMDF guy of the 1988 Olympics <david@ms.uky.edu> -Eric Lavitsky The Man of Many Hats ARPA: eric@topaz.rutgers.edu or eric@ulysses.att.com UUCP: {att,ucbvax}!ulysses!eric or {wherever!}rutgers!topaz!eric SNAIL: 34 Maplehurst Ln, Piscataway, NJ 08854 "To err is human; To really f*ck up requires the root password."
andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) (09/30/88)
In article <10313@s.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) writes: >system is to buy the 2090A? (The 2090A doesn't do DMA, right? If >it does I'll shut up and go away). Both the 2090 and 2090A do DMA. -- andy finkel {uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy Commodore-Amiga, Inc. "People who post news as root probably have other bad habits, too." Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
jesup@cbmvax.UUCP (Randell Jesup) (10/01/88)
In article <10313@s.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) writes: >Leo ... why is the 'right thing' to do to have a hard disk in your >system is to buy the 2090A? (The 2090A doesn't do DMA, right? If >it does I'll shut up and go away). While we've been waiting patiently >for the 2090A to come along, Micron (I think) has come out with a >very similar board that does DMA, AND has room on it to become >a 'hard card'. The 2090 AND 2090A are both DMA controllers. Both support ST506 and SCSI (I believe micron is SCSI only). The 2090A will AutoBoot if you have 1.3 KS roms. -- Randell Jesup, Commodore Engineering {uunet|rutgers|allegra}!cbmvax!jesup
david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) (10/02/88)
First, thanks to everybody who pointed out that the 2090 series
are DMA boards. I have to make a mental note to not trust what
my local dealer says without cross-checking him. (He's the one
who said the 2090 was *not* DMA ...)
Second thing is that I made mention of a board from Micron. I
was wrong, what I meant instead was one from MicroBotics which
is advertised in the current Amazing Computing.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Subject: Re: 2000-and-1 expansion box
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First, thanks to everybody who pointed out that the 2090 series
are DMA boards. I have to make a mental note to not trust what
my local dealer says without cross-checking him. (He's the one
who said the 2090 was *not* DMA ...)
Second thing is that I made mention of a board from Micron. I
was wrong, what I meant instead was one from MicroBotics which
is advertised in the current Amazing Computing.
Sorry for the confusion.
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<-- have to do with the decline of the american 'work ethic'?jesup%cbmvax.uucp@UDEL.EDU (10/04/88)
Received: from CUNYVM by CUNYVM.BITNET (Mailer X2.00) with BSMTP id 8241; Sat, 01 Oct 88 02:47:37 EDT Received: from UDEL.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with TCP; Sat, 01 Oct 88 02:47:35 EDT Received: from Louie.UDEL.EDU by Louie.UDEL.EDU id ab16818; 30 Sep 88 20:14 EDT Received: from USENET by Louie.UDEL.EDU id aa16768; 30 Sep 88 20:11 EDT From: Randell Jesup <jesup@cbmvax.uucp> Subject: Re: 2000-and-1 expansion box Message-ID: <4910@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 30 Sep 88 21:17:10 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA To: amiga-relay@UDEL.EDU Sender: amiga-relay-request@UDEL.EDU In article <10313@s.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) writes: >Leo ... why is the 'right thing' to do to have a hard disk in your >system is to buy the 2090A? (The 2090A doesn't do DMA, right? If >it does I'll shut up and go away). While we've been waiting patiently >for the 2090A to come along, Micron (I think) has come out with a >very similar board that does DMA, AND has room on it to become >a 'hard card'. The 2090 AND 2090A are both DMA controllers. Both support ST506 and SCSI (I believe micron is SCSI only). The 2090A will AutoBoot if you have 1.3 KS roms. -- Randell Jesup, Commodore Engineering {uunet|rutgers|allegra}!cbmvax!jesup