scarlett@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Brian Scarlett) (10/24/88)
Thoughts of future moneis have gotten my hormones all fired up. Being as I am a complete Amiga-virgin, I'm looking for some non-salesman advice on which amiga to buy...either a used a1000 or a new a500 (with one meg). Both models are in the price range I am considering. Any thoughts? thanks -- Forgive me Father, for I have sinned B. Scarlett Father it was either me or him, U. of Waterloo Father could we turn back the clock, Waterloo, Canada I never meant to drop the concrete block.
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (10/26/88)
From article <5191@watdcsu.waterloo.edu>, by scarlett@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Brian Scarlett):
> which amiga to buy...either a used a1000 or a new a500 (with one meg).
I like the A1000 better because of (1) detached keyboard, (2) case
design, and (3) Kickstart on disk. However, you will want at least 1MB of
RAM and that's easier to get on an A500. If you can find a reasonably
priced memory expansion for the A1000 go that way. Otherwise, get the
A500.
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...uunet!pdn!jc3b21!fgd3wbnsnsr@nmtsun.nmt.edu (William Norris) (10/26/88)
In article <5191@watdcsu.waterloo.edu> scarlett@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Brian Scarlett) writes: >I'm looking for some non-salesman advice >on which amiga to buy...either a used a1000 or a new a500 (with one meg). >Both models are in the price range I am considering. *DEFINITELY* the Amiga 500. Not only do you get 4 times the RAM, but hardware support for the A1000 is dying out. In addition, Commodore will be dropping support for the A1000 with Workbench 1.4. (This information comes from a Commodore employee. I cannot reveal his name.) William B. Norris IV wbnsnsr@nmtsun.nmt.edu (William Norris) | /// Seulement ``It'll be out RSN.'' |\\ /// l'Amiga peut -- ANY hardware manufacturer/software publisher. | \\// vous l'offrir.
jimm@amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) (10/26/88)
In article <1333@nmtsun.nmt.edu> wbnsnsr@nmtsun.nmt.edu (William Norris) writes:
)*DEFINITELY* the Amiga 500.
I'd agree, the A500 is a better choice to buy than the A1000. The A2000,
if you can afford it, is much more flexible, esp. in terms of adding
stuff on without adding more power supplies. Also, the Enhanced Chip Set
will only work on the 500 and 2000.
)In addition, Commodore will be dropping support for the A1000
)with Workbench 1.4. (This information comes from a Commodore employee.
)I cannot reveal his name.)
You are misinformed, or else I am. The Amiga Community and the
bandwidth on this net do not need a rumor such as this one.
Let it be known that there is ferocious loyalty to the A1000 owners
within the Amiga system software team.
You MAY want to be thinking about more RAM for your A1000, though, since
all the wonderful standard libraries and great neatos that everybody
wants will soak ram up pretty fast, I fear.
) William B. Norris IV
Either quote the sucker or don't repeat dangerous rumors, WN4.
jimm
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Opinions are my own. Comments regarding the Amiga operating system, and
all others, are not to be taken as Commodore official policy.peter@sugar.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (10/26/88)
In article <1333@nmtsun.nmt.edu>, wbnsnsr@nmtsun.nmt.edu (William Norris) writes: > In addition, Commodore > will be dropping support for the A1000 with Workbench 1.4. > (This information comes from a Commodore employee. I cannot reveal his name.) If this is false, this is really an irresponsible rumor. If this is true, then why? None of the enhancements I've heard of for 1.4 require anything a 1000 can't provide. If it requires more than 512K of CHIP RAM just to run, then it's not going to be so nice for 500 people, either. If it's just a matter of them not providing Kickstart 1.4 on a floppy, that's plain stupid. Besides, aren't there ways to install kickstart ROMs in a 1000? Other than supporting big CHIPs, there isn't anything a 500 has that a 1000 doesn't have. -- Peter da Silva `-_-' peter@sugar.uu.net Have you hugged U your wolf today? Disclaimer: I accept full responsibility for my own typos.
joe@cbmvax.UUCP (Joe O'Hara) (10/26/88)
In article <1333@nmtsun.nmt.edu> wbnsnsr@nmtsun.nmt.edu (William Norris) writes: >In article <5191@watdcsu.waterloo.edu> scarlett@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Brian Scarlett) writes: >>I'm looking for some non-salesman advice >>on which amiga to buy...either a used a1000 or a new a500 (with one meg). >>Both models are in the price range I am considering. > >*DEFINITELY* the Amiga 500. Not only do you get 4 times the RAM, but ^^^^^^^ Minor nit: Standard Amiga 1000 = 256KB " " 500 = 512KB -- ======================================================================== Joe O'Hara || Comments represent my own opinions, Commodore Electronics Ltd || not my employers. Any similarity to Software QA || to any other opinions, living or dead, || is purely coincidental. ========================================================================
tron1@xanadu.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson) (10/26/88)
would also reccomend a 500 or 200 for NEW buyers at this time. But don't think that there is a problem with the 1000! My 1000 fills all my needs, and until these new chipsets are a reality there is no reason to change. I like the expandibility of the buss on the 1000. The 200 allows for internal expansion, sure, but the problem most of the folks I know are having is FITTING all the drives and such inside! So that whole concept is somewhat a problem. Anyone feel like working on stuffing a 2000 into an PC-style tower case? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ask not what your AMIGA can do for you.......... Remember, when life gets boring, ray trace it! Only AMIGA, makes imitation possible.... "With the advent of OS/2, multi-tasking will finally be in the hands of the micro-computer user..." - Major computer magazine editorial xanadu!tron1
dale@boing.UUCP (Dale Luck) (10/26/88)
In article <1333@nmtsun.nmt.edu> wbnsnsr@nmtsun.nmt.edu (William Norris) writes: >hardware support for the A1000 is dying out. In addition, Commodore >will be dropping support for the A1000 with Workbench 1.4. ^^^^^^^^^^^^BULL SHIT^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(This information comes from a Commodore employee. I cannot reveal his name.) It's a good thing, you better send my previous comment to your inside informed source. ;-) nuff said about this rumour -- Dale Luck Boing, Inc. {uunet!cbmvax|pyramid}|!amiga!boing!dale Although I do contract work for Amiga-LosGatos, my opinions probably don't represent those of Commodore or its management or its engineers, but I think the world would be a better place if they did.
mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) (10/27/88)
> *Excerpts from ext.nn.comp.sys.amiga: 26-Oct-88 Re: Which amiga to buy?* > *William Norris@nmtsun.nm (790)* > In addition, Commodore > will be dropping support for the A1000 with Workbench 1.4. > (This information comes from a Commodore employee. I cannot reveal his name.) Don't post statements like this unless you have solid sources of attribution to back them up. --M Michael Portuesi / Information Technology Center / Carnegie Mellon University ARPA/UUCP: mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu BITNET: mp1u%andrew.cmu.edu@cmccvb "my friends say she's a dumb blonde, but they don't know she dyes her hair"
tron1@xanadu.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson) (10/27/88)
From what I gather, you are correct. There doesnt seem to be anything about the new 1.3 & 1.4's that would be bad for the 1000. With any LUCK, the big FAT CHIPSET will prove me wrong, but I doubt it. BTW: The odds of actually finding a 1000 w/256k is almost NIL. I mean, I sold em for YEARS and never sold >1< without the expansion. xanadu!tron1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Now, a 2500 UX , maybe" "And god said, okay, we goofed. So here is the CSA 68030 board"
dale@boing.UUCP (Dale Luck) (10/27/88)
In article <12@xanadu.UUCP> tron1@xanadu.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson) writes: > > > BTW: The odds of actually finding a 1000 w/256k is almost NIL. I mean, >I sold em for YEARS and never sold >1< without the expansion. > Back in the alpha/beta days of V1.2 the question came up about the extra memory usage. We used to guarentee 100k available on a 256k system when running basic. However much of the new robustness required heavier memory usage by the system utilities. Maybe as much as 16k more. This might put a few games over the edge on 256k systems. I made the comment that if there were any 256k systems left out there we should send them a free 256k expansion card (maybe 10?). It would be much less work, lead to fewer problems in the software. I don't think they sent out any free 256k ram boards, but it is true we don't really support the old 256k chip ram configuration anymore. -- Dale Luck Boing, Inc. {uunet!cbmvax|pyramid}|!amiga!boing!dale Although I do contract work for Amiga-LosGatos, my opinions probably don't represent those of Commodore or its management or its engineers, but I think the world would be a better place if they did.
daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) (10/27/88)
In article <1333@nmtsun.nmt.edu> wbnsnsr@nmtsun.nmt.edu (William Norris) writes: )*DEFINITELY* the Amiga 500. >In addition, Commodore will be dropping support for the A1000 >with Workbench 1.4. (This information comes from a Commodore employee. >I cannot reveal his name.) Come on, who was it, the janitor or one of the truck drivers. No one in a position to know much about 1.4 would have said this to you. -- Dave Haynie "The 32 Bit Guy" Commodore-Amiga "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: D-DAVE H BIX: hazy Amiga -- It's not just a job, it's an obsession
mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) (10/28/88)
> *Excerpts from ext.nn.comp.sys.amiga: 25-Oct-88 Re: Which amiga to buy?* > *Fabbian G. Dufoe@jc3b21. (626)* > From article <5191@watdcsu.waterloo.edu>, by scarlett@watdcsu.waterloo.edu > (Brian Scarlett): > > which amiga to buy...either a used a1000 or a new a500 (with one meg). > I like the A1000 better because of (1) detached keyboard, (2) case > design, and (3) Kickstart on disk. However, you will want at least 1MB of > RAM and that's easier to get on an A500. If you can find a reasonably > priced memory expansion for the A1000 go that way. Otherwise, get the > A500. I like the A1000 better for the above reasons, but one thing I want to add is that expansion devices are becoming more plentiful for the A500 all the time while they are getting harder to find for the A1000. If you can find an A1000 configuration you like, and don't care about expanding it much in the long term, then the A1000 is a better choice. If you want a wider variety of expansion options to choose from, get the A500. There are and will be expansion boxes that will give you A2000 compatibility for the A1000. The Pacific Peripherals SubSystem will provide 3 A2000 slots on the A1000 (if they ever get the thing to market) and you can also get the BusExpander from Bill's Boards (which gives you something like 5 or 6 Zorro II slots plus an XT/AT bus so you can use the Bridgecard). On a side note, I don't know of any product for the A500 or the A1000 that provides the A2000 coprocessor slot. The ASDG 2000-and-1 was the only product that was going to offer this feature, and that looks like it's history. I talked with the folks at ASDG, and they said they might look into producing a smaller-scale Zorro II expansion bus that includes the coprocessor slot, but they didn't have any firm intentions at the moment. --M Michael Portuesi / Information Technology Center / Carnegie Mellon University ARPA/UUCP: mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu BITNET: mp1u%andrew.cmu.edu@cmccvb "my friends say she's a dumb blonde, but they don't know she dyes her hair"
kjohn@richsun.UUCP (John Kjellman) (10/29/88)
In article <483@jc3b21.UUCP> fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) writes: >From article <5191@watdcsu.waterloo.edu>, by scarlett@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Brian Scarlett): >> which amiga to buy...either a used a1000 or a new a500 (with one meg). > > I like the A1000 better because of (1) detached keyboard, (2) case >design, and (3) Kickstart on disk. However, you will want at least 1MB of >RAM and that's easier to get on an A500. If you can find a reasonably I have an A1000 w/30Mb HD and 2.5 Mb RAM for sale if the original poster is interested. Please EMail me if you are interested and we'll work out the details. KJohn P.S. The reason for this sale is I am buying a new house and need all the money I can get my hands on for a downpayment...... I can be reached at: RealTime: 1(312)418-1236 (6pm to 10:30pm central time) USmail: John Kjellman 17302 Park Ave. Lansing IL 60438 E-Mail: kjohn@richp1.UUCP [ purdue | cs.ubc | mcdchg ] ! richp1 ! kjohn -- | Amiga /// | Disclaimer: This is only a dream, it's only a dream ......... | | Manic///.5K | One liners: I'm from the government, I'm here to help........ | | \\\/// 1K | MS/D*S is the best damn OS I have ever used...... | | \XX/ 2K | kjohn@richp1 or [ purdue | cs.ubc | mcdchg ] ! richp1 ! kjohn |