nsw@cord.UUCP (Neil Weinstock) (11/22/88)
Yes, I know, a silly-sounding question. When I got 1.3, I went through the whole rigamarole of getting an FFS partition up on my ST-157N/Overdrive setup. I edited my mountlist to create a 3 cylinder old FS partition and the rest FFS. I am pretty sure I have everything in there correct. I then mounted FS1 and formatted it. I did not specify the FFS option to format because the 1.3 Enhancer manual specifically says that if you mount the partition properly and all the right stuff is specified in the mountlist, then format should do FFS automatically (yes, I was using the 1.3 mount command). I also formatted the old FS partition. Now everything's up and running fine. However, nothing seems to be running any faster than before. I added 30 buffers and did not perceive any speedup. Furthermore, I did not specify the MAXTRANSFER field in my mountlist, and previous postings seemed to indicate that I'm destined for problems using an Overdrive and not specifying MAXTRANSFER. However, I've experienced no problems whatsoever. I am therefore beginning to suspect that maybe I missed some step in the process and am running old FS (???). So: How can I absolutely confirm that I am in fact running FFS on my supposed FFS partition? I can find nothing in the Enhancer to indicate that there's a command which will show what file system is running on any particular mounted device. Any advice on this would be most appreciated. P.S. I thought that after I reformatted I had noticed a couple more megs of space on the hard drive which I thought was a sure indication that I was running FFS, but now I'm not so sure if I'm remembering correctly (I'm hardly sure of my own name nowadays). I'm getting about 47 Megs on my ST157N right now. .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... | Neil Weinstock | att!cord!nsw | This mind intentionally | | AT&T Bell Labs | nsw@cord.att.com | left blank | .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ...
dsking@pyr.gatech.EDU ( David King) (11/22/88)
In article <621@cord.UUCP> nsw@cord.UUCP (Neil Weinstock) writes: [Neil describes Overdrive FFS being no faster than SFS and asks how to tell if partition if FFS] There's a simple trick to recognizing FFS. Do an info on the disk's icon. If the bytes per block is 512, then it is a FFS partition. If the bytes per block is 488, then it is a SFS partition. Right now I am running a FFS partition with no MAXTRANSFER but with a MASK=0x7FFFF. The FFS partition is SLOWER than SFS in raw transfer speed, but faster doing directories. If I remove the MASK parameter, any executable that is copied into the partition is corrupted (Task held or "file is not an object module"). Any ideas anyone? >.- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... >| Neil Weinstock | att!cord!nsw | This mind intentionally | >| AT&T Bell Labs | nsw@cord.att.com | left blank | >.- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... - David -- David King Georgia Insitute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!gitpyr!dsking ARPA: dsking@pyr.gatech.edu
joe@cbmvax.UUCP (Joe O'Hara) (11/22/88)
In article <621@cord.UUCP> nsw@cord.UUCP (Neil Weinstock) writes: >So: How can I absolutely confirm that I am in fact running FFS on >my supposed FFS partition? I can find nothing in the Enhancer >to indicate that there's a command which will show what file system >is running on any particular mounted device. Try the LOCK command. It is designed to lock/unlock FFS partitions. Type: LOCK FAST: ON <return> where fast: is the name of your partition. If the partition is old file system you'll get a message: Attempt to change lock failed. If the partition is FFS you'll get: FAST: locked Don't forget to unlock it: LOCK FAST: OFF -- ======================================================================== Joe O'Hara || Comments represent my own opinions, Commodore Electronics Ltd || not my employers. Any similarity to Software QA || to any other opinions, living or dead, || is purely coincidental. ========================================================================
andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) (11/22/88)
In article <6824@pyr.gatech.EDU> dsking@pyr.UUCP ( David King) writes: > Right now I am running a FFS partition with no MAXTRANSFER >but with a MASK=0x7FFFF. The FFS partition is SLOWER than SFS in >raw transfer speed, but faster doing directories. If I remove the >MASK parameter, any executable that is copied into the partition is >corrupted (Task held or "file is not an object module"). Any ideas >anyone? Yes...you apparently have memory out there that your Overdrive can't talk to. That MASK value you are using is making sure the FFS only uses CHIP ram for its direct DMA....which is going to slow things down in a big way. Do you have a really funny ram card or something ? -- andy finkel {uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy Commodore-Amiga, Inc. "Possibly this is a new usage of the word 'compatible' with which I was previously unfamiliar" Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) (11/22/88)
In article <621@cord.UUCP> nsw@cord.UUCP (Neil Weinstock) writes: >Yes, I know, a silly-sounding question. > >When I got 1.3, I went through the whole rigamarole of getting >an FFS partition up on my ST-157N/Overdrive setup. I edited my >mountlist to create a 3 cylinder old FS partition and the rest >FFS. I am pretty sure I have everything in there correct. > >I then mounted FS1 and formatted it. I did not specify the FFS >option to format because the 1.3 Enhancer manual specifically >says that if you mount the partition properly and all the right stuff is >specified in the mountlist, then format should do FFS automatically >(yes, I was using the 1.3 mount command). I also formatted the >old FS partition. As long as you specified DosType in your MountList, and L:FastFileSystem, and GlobVec = -1, you should be ok. Format will do the right thing. In fact, FFS and NOFFS options will be removed from Format in the future. >So: How can I absolutely confirm that I am in fact running FFS on >my supposed FFS partition? I can find nothing in the Enhancer >to indicate that there's a command which will show what file system >is running on any particular mounted device. Use the Workbench Info menu item ... FFS partitions show 512 bytes per block. -- andy finkel {uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy Commodore-Amiga, Inc. "Possibly this is a new usage of the word 'compatible' with which I was previously unfamiliar" Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
stan@teroach.UUCP (Stan Fisher) (11/23/88)
In article <621@cord.UUCP> nsw@cord.UUCP (Neil Weinstock) writes: **stuff deleted** >So: How can I absolutely confirm that I am in fact running FFS on >my supposed FFS partition? I can find nothing in the Enhancer >to indicate that there's a command which will show what file system >is running on any particular mounted device. > >Any advice on this would be most appreciated. > One very easy way is to select the icon for your FFS partition and do 'info' from the workbench menus. A 'slow' partition will show 488 byte blocks under 1.3 and a FFS will show 512 byte blocks. Yeah, if you didn't see any performance increase I'd be suspicious too! I saw a 10x increase in writes and a 5x increase in reads, right off the bat. ___________________________________________________________________________ + Stan Fisher uunet!unisoft!nud!teroach!stan + Motorola Microcomputer Division, Tempe, Arizona - (602) 438-3228 + "...no no, let's wait for the A5000, MC88000 based Amiga with 536 Million + colors and 2K square graphics resolution, Yeah, that's the ticket.."
nsw@cord.UUCP (Neil Weinstock) (11/23/88)
In article <1454@teroach.UUCP> stan@teroach.UUCP (Stan Fisher) writes: >In article <621@cord.UUCP> nsw@cord.UUCP (me) writes: >>So: How can I absolutely confirm that I am in fact running FFS on >>my supposed FFS partition? > >One very easy way is to select the icon for your FFS partition and >do 'info' from the workbench menus. A 'slow' partition will show 488 >byte blocks under 1.3 and a FFS will show 512 byte blocks. >+ Stan Fisher uunet!unisoft!nud!teroach!stan Well, mine show 512 and 536, respectively; I'll assume that I am in fact running FFS. So, only one question remains: why haven't I noticed any speedup? Would some kind soul be willing to mail me a copy of DiskPerf (and/or DiskPerfA, DiskPerfB, whatever) so I can really figure this out for sure? Also, can any users of the Overdrive/ST157N combination comment on the speedup they have seen with FFS? It's not like I'm unhappy with the performance I'm getting, I just want to make sure I'm getting everything there is to be had (does that make sense? ;-). Thanks again. .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... | Neil Weinstock | att!cord!nsw | This mind intentionally | | AT&T Bell Labs | nsw@cord.att.com | left blank | .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ... .- -- .. --. .- .-. ..- .-.. . ...
dsking@pyr.gatech.EDU ( David King) (11/28/88)
In article <5296@cbmvax.UUCP> andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) writes: > >Do you have a really funny ram card or something ? Nope. I've got a B2000 with 4.1 or 4.2 motherboard and no extra memory. I can open my machine and check which motherboard if that could be the problem. >-- >andy finkel {uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy >Commodore-Amiga, Inc. -- David King Georgia Insitute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!gitpyr!dsking ARPA: dsking@pyr.gatech.edu
jesup@cbmvax.UUCP (Randell Jesup) (11/30/88)
In article <623@cord.UUCP> nsw@cord.UUCP (Neil Weinstock) writes: >In article <1454@teroach.UUCP> stan@teroach.UUCP (Stan Fisher) writes: >>In article <621@cord.UUCP> nsw@cord.UUCP (me) writes: >>>So: How can I absolutely confirm that I am in fact running FFS on >>>my supposed FFS partition? >> >>One very easy way is to select the icon for your FFS partition and >>do 'info' from the workbench menus. A 'slow' partition will show 488 >>byte blocks under 1.3 and a FFS will show 512 byte blocks. > >>+ Stan Fisher uunet!unisoft!nud!teroach!stan > >Well, mine show 512 and 536, respectively; I'll assume that I am in fact >running FFS. So, only one question remains: why haven't I noticed any >speedup? Would some kind soul be willing to mail me a copy of DiskPerf >(and/or DiskPerfA, DiskPerfB, whatever) so I can really figure this out >for sure? 536?? Sounds like a Mac sector size to me. What showed 536?? -- You've heard of CATS? Well, I'm a member of DOGS: Developers Of Great Software. Randell Jesup, Commodore Engineering {uunet|rutgers|allegra}!cbmvax!jesup