timw@umcp-cs.UUCP (03/05/84)
WHO CARES ABOUT YES! i know i don't. sure, in high school many years
ago, everybody thought they were neat and slick and cool, but they're
just a bunch of old farts sitting around making thrash. there is a
big difference between early and late yes, as well as early and late
genesis. Early yes was enjoyable to listen to, but now they grow mundane
and soft, too many years of easy living. The same goes for genesis.
In the beginning, they were great, very artistic and creative. but know
sine genesis doesn't anybody worth a damn in them, they grow old very quickly.
Musicians should be told when they should stop playing music. This
way we won't have to be subjected to their feeble attempts at a comeback
that should of stayed in the garbage. Comebacks are for people who need money.
I have yet to see a good comeback by anybody !!!
Go, ahead, scream and yell.
"That's what she said"
--
Speaking: Tim Wicinski
University of Maryland
UUCP: {seismo,allegra,brl-bmd}!umcp-cs!timw
CSNet: timw@umcp-cs ARPA: timw@marylandtrott@olorin.DEC (Dale at TWO/A07, DTN:247-2146) (03/07/84)
>Musicians should be told when they should stop playing music. This >way we won't have to be subjected to their feeble attempts at a comeback >that should of stayed in the garbage. Maybe some netters should be told when to stop posting to net.music. Who cares what you think anyway! - Dale - DEC, Networks and Communications Engineering Tewksbury, Massachusetts UUCP :(decvax, ucbvax, allegra)!decwrl!rhea!olorin!trott ARPA :decwrl!rhea!olorin!trott@su-shasta decwrl!rhea!olorin!trott@berkeley
cyrus@symplex.UUCP (03/08/84)
One very important tennent in the music industry that should be remembered is that music is business. No matter what you may think of Yes, Genesis, and any other revival, they are MONEY MAKERS. Don't expect the record execs to choose their promotions based on anything but profits (the words of the profits are written on the studio walls - RUSH). Sure, art is nice, but it won't pay the rent. I myself wish it were the other way around, but who would pay for it? -Cyrus Azar (415) 591-1667 (long time Yes, Beatles, and Genesis fan) fortune!dsd!symplex!cyrus Symplex Communications 1625 El Camino Real Suite 4 Belmont, CA. 94002
jeff@dciem.UUCP (Jeff Richardson) (03/14/84)
I agree with Tim that Genesis and Yes are not nearly as good as they
used to be, but if I think of today's versions as different groups from
the old versions (there have been significant personnel changes) I can
get a lot of enjoyment from the new groups. I say to myself, "if this
album was by a group I had never heard of before, would I like it?" The
answer is usually yes. Genesis especially is doing new and different
stuff which stands up well if you can avoid comparing it to the old stuff.
I particularly like their new hard-pounding drum style in songs like "Mama".
I'm glad they changed because even though it's one of my all-time favourite
albums, I wouldn't want half a dozen Lamb Lies Down On Broadways. Sure
they do a lot of filler and boring pop songs, but I still think they have
a lot of talent and good new ideas, but they're spreading them too
thinly by releasing 2 1/2 albums (group & solo) per year.
As far as comebacks being useless, I have to disagree. Here are a few
comebacks without which I would have enjoyed music a lot less in the last
few years:
1. King Crimson was a pioneer in the field of progressive rock in the
early 70's until they broke up around '74 or '75. Robert Fripp, the
main force in the original group, reformed the group in 1981 with two
members from the old group and two new ones. The result was "Discipline",
one of the year's best albums and an excellent combination of 70's
progressive rock and 80's progressive new wave (for lack of a better term).
2. Mike Oldfield made three albums between '73 and '75, two of them excellent.
He then took a few years off and then made a comeback with a new, more rock
oriented style that seems to have all the elements of his old style, plus
a whole lot more. He's also branched out and there's a lot more variety
in his albums now. His Five Miles Out album (1982) is one of my all-time
favourite albums, and Crises, which has the most variety of any of his
albums, was my favourite of last year. His 70's stuff seems empty by
comparison.
3. Camel was a good progressive rock group in the mid-70's, but by 1979 they
had evolved (devolved?) into a useless pop band and lost most of their
following. In 1981, they came out with their next album, Nude. They
went back to their old style but did it much better than they ever had
before, and it was my favourite album of the year. I don't care if prog.
rock was out of style by then, it's still great if it's done well and
isn't just a rehash of old stuff. Nude is the last great progressive
rock album I've heard.
4. I guess you can call Peter Gabriel's recent work a comeback, since he
fell from popularity and from the public eye from the time he left
Genesis until a couple of years ago. Security was second only to Five
Miles Out on my list of top albums of 1982.
I could name other comebacks that I wouldn't be better off without, but these
are the ones I consider essential. Numbers 1 and 4 have probably influenced
a lot of newer artists as well.
Jeff Richardson
DCIEM, Toronto