ereidell@athena.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) (12/01/88)
The two advertisements in the New York Times last week said it all: the Atari being compared with the Mac SE, and the Amiga being pushed with a "free VCR". And in the followup Letters to the NeXT cover story in Newsweek, the Atari ST got a free plug from some happy user... and ads on MTV aimed at the wrong audiences in the wrong way... We can do something, can't we? Continue making up "dream ads" for our favorite machine and sending them in to Commodore? We're one of the most creative sets of people around today! And we're smart or else we wouldn't be reading this newsgroup using this machine... as Cher said (am I really quoting Cher?) "If you have a good thing, and you keep it to yourself, what kind of a person are you?" can be applied to both the Amiga itself and any good marketing ideas we might have for it. Just some inspirational ideas/food for thought Evan A. Reidell (ereidell@athena.mit.edu)
rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) (12/02/88)
In article <8243@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, ereidell@athena.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) writes: > > We can do something, can't we? Continue making up "dream ads" for our > favorite machine and sending them in to Commodore? We're one of the > most creative sets of people around today! And we're smart or else we > wouldn't be reading this newsgroup using this machine... as Cher said Just thinking back on the killer demo contest, I don't believe that I saw anything at all produced using the Zuma TV Show or the Aegis (presentation-video) thing. Are these two packages not as good as The Director (I have Director, but have not taken any time to learn it thusfar, and I don't have either of the other two). Do these other programs NOT come with a freely redistributable player, or are they just too hard to learn, or what? I am curious -- fellow. Rob Peck
peter@sugar.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (12/02/88)
The Work hard/Play Hard ad is pretty good. And they ARE running the ads on VH1 (AKA MTV for adults). ---- An effective ad would be something like: [ page from Apple's ad where they crow about beating IBM in the multitasking race ] "Sorry, Apple. We won that race three years ago." "Only the Amiga." -- Peter da Silva `-_-' peter@sugar.uu.net Have you hugged U your wolf today? Disclaimer: My typos are my own damn busines#!rne
hrlaser@pnet02.cts.com (Harv Laser) (12/02/88)
rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) writes: > >Just thinking back on the killer demo contest, I don't believe that >I saw anything at all produced using the Zuma TV Show or the Aegis >(presentation-video) thing. Are these two packages not as good as >The Director (I have Director, but have not taken any time to learn >it thusfar, and I don't have either of the other two). Do these >other programs NOT come with a freely redistributable player, or >are they just too hard to learn, or what? I am curious -- fellow. > >Rob Peck Hiya Rob. Yup both the Aegis Presentation Thingy (you thinking of Lights Camera Action? or VideoTitler/ShowSeg?) and TV*SHOW come with freely distributable players. HOWEVER (underline that) neither one is really capable of the kind of power and flexibility of The Director. HOWEVER (put a yellow line over that) both of them are much easier to use since, basically, they have user interfaces and The Director doesn't. It's a trade-off. The Director can do these wonderful "blit this brush over there" type off stuff that really nothing else on the market is capable of. In other words, you couldn't duplicate something like the Probe Sequence or RGB with any other piece of software of which I'm aware, but you COULD duplicate the output of most ANY other package with The Director. There was a wonderful Killer Demo from last year's group of entries by Robert Wilt called "Killer" in which he lampooned other makes ov computers vis-a-vis the Amiga to a soundtrack of Beatles tunes. As far as I can ascertain, Wilt created Killer the "old fashioned way" - he programmed it from scratch and didn't use any off-the-shelf "demo creation" package. This is something that probably COULD be duplicated with The Director, given enough time and knowledge of its hundreds of commands. TV*SHOW gives the novice user just about the easiest and most painless way of creating very good looking slideshows with simple brush moves that I've ever seen. It has a terrific interface you can learn in about 10 minutes. But I doubt anyone will be creating "Killer Demos" with it... Harv Laser, Sysop, The People/Link AmigaZone. Plink: CBM*HARV UUCP: {ames!elroy, <backbone>}!gryphon!pnet02!hrlaser INET: hrlaser@pnet02.cts.com <---open Push down while turning close tightly--->
hgm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) (12/02/88)
In article <740@ardent.UUCP> rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) writes: >Just thinking back on the killer demo contest, I don't believe that >I saw anything at all produced using the Zuma TV Show or the Aegis >(presentation-video) thing. Are these two packages not as good as >Rob Peck TV SHOW is great for banging out titles and slideshows in a hurry. However, it has no support for playing compressed ANIM files, which limits the speed and complexity of your presentations. I can't remember if the player that comes with it can be freely distributed or not. I do know that I tried to use it once, it didn't work properly, and I didn't have time to figure out why. I usually just load up the edit program and use that. I'll go back and take a look at it tonight, when I can go home and use my "real computer". Incidentaly, thanks for the book. My work on my manual is coming along somewhat slowly, but it's getting there. Hopefully, it'll be done before Christmas :-). --hal -- ------------------ "I am living in a condo hgm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu with Henry Thoreau" netoprhm@ncsuvm.ncsu.bitnet Reagan Years, Part II
zlhb0a@apctrc.uucp (Lawrence H. Brown) (12/02/88)
In article <740@ardent.UUCP> rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) writes: >In article <8243@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU>, ereidell@athena.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) writes: == We can do something, can't we? Continue making up "dream ads" for our == favorite machine and sending them in to Commodore? We're one of the - -just thinking back on the killer demo contest, I don't believe that -I saw anything at all produced using the Zuma TV Show or the Aegis -(presentation-video) thing. Are these two packages not as good as This is strictly my humble opinion. Usually when you have software thrown in, it is stuff that isn't strong enough to sell on its own (they didn't throw in F18, why? Because people will buy it anyway...) so they bundle it in a special offer package deal. Fegh. Regarding the advertising. CATS, DOGS, and etc: Don't we have ANY of the people who think up the ads listening in? Between the the wackiness of Mike Smithwick, the talent of Leo Schwab (damn I bet I misspelled it) and the artistry of Marco, and etc etc etc.... we could come up with some KILLER ads. Most of the people here, I think, would be happy to submit ideas for ads for little more than a tip o the hat their way. (wotta thought... Public Domain Ads...) There will always be someone who doesn't like the ad, granted. At least they are advertising.... Our club is going to do the best kind of advertising. We are going to help a new Amiga outlet here in Tulsa (B'Dalton's Software Etc.) show off the system. Soon we are going to have a mini-show right outside the store, in the mall. Another way...I am taking an intro course in computers (had to, credits wouldn't transfer) and rather than sleep through the thing, my teacher had me bring in an Amiga loaded for combat and unleash it on beginners who had only see PC's and maybe a Mac. I knocked their socks off. // You've heard of CATS, DOGS, & GOATS? *NOW* TRY GERBILS! // "Gladly Educating Real Beginners In Latest Software!" \\// Lawrence H. Brown USENET: ...!uunet!apctrc!zlhb0a \/ (918-660-4389) USmail: 7325 E. 50th, Tulsa, OK 74145
ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) (12/06/88)
In article <649@apctrc.UUCP> lbrown@apctrc.UUCP (Lawrence H. Brown) writes: >Regarding the advertising. CATS, DOGS, and etc: Don't we have ANY of >the people who think up the ads listening in? Between the the wackiness >of Mike Smithwick, the talent of Leo Schwab (damn I bet I misspelled it) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nope, you got it right. >and the artistry of Marco, and etc etc etc.... we could come up with >some KILLER ads. Most of the people here, I think, would be happy >to submit ideas for ads for little more than a tip o the hat their way. Let me just say (once again) just in case any of the ad people *are* looking in that I would consider it an honor, as well a a lot of fun, to contribute to an Amiga ad. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape INET: well!ewhac@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU \_ -_ Recumbent Bikes: UUCP: pacbell > !{well,unicom}!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor
mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) (12/15/88)
In article <649@apctrc.UUCP> lbrown@apctrc.UUCP (Lawrence H. Brown) writes: >Regarding the advertising. CATS, DOGS, and etc: Don't we have ANY of >the people who think up the ads listening in? Between the the wackiness ^^^^^^^^^ >of Mike Smithwick. . . . I resemble that remark! >some KILLER ads. Most of the people here, I think, would be happy >to submit ideas for ads for little more than a tip o the hat their way. About a year ago, I proposed to BAADGE (awright, BADGE) and FAUG that we have a 'Design an Ad Contest'. I even sent email to Paul Higginbottom (sp?) and he said "Cute, but getawayfromme. . .". Even without any interest from Amiga-Commodore, I still think it might be fun to have the contest considering the numbers of creative people and tools out there. There could be catagories for submissions in IFF and Anim formats. For the more sophisticated types, we would accept actual print and video entries. If C= really was interested, the winning entries would then be published or shown on TV. Anybody interested? I already have a couple worked out in my mind that I'd do if I knew that they'd be distributed. -- *** mike (starship janitor) smithwick *** "Scientists say 'Saturn is so light, if you put it in a bucket of water, it would float'. Don't forget, it would also leave a ring". [disclaimer : nope, I don't work for NASA, I take full blame for my ideas]