[net.general] How can they do this...

coltoff (10/21/82)

There was a story in the Phila. Inquirer this morning about Drexel
University requiring **ALL** incoming freshman, starting next year, to
buy personal computers. Now,while I can't come up with good solid
reasons why this is a dumb, stupid, idiotic, ^&@&*, &*#*&@, etc.
idea something about it rubs me the wrong way. I think it is great
to teach computer literacy but this is different than requiring
everyone to take Phys Ed.

The article claimed that the school sees this as a good way for
handing in homework assignments and projects. (do they think that
everyones disks are compatible? or do they want to `diff' to find
cheaters).

What they are doing is buying large quantities of one machine to offer
a good discount to the students. What if you don't want to learn CPM
or whatever but must to meet school requirements. Why should liberal
arts students have to by a computer to learn computer literacy?

Some may say that you can always sell them when you graduate but the
used computer market is not like selling a used text book. Floppy
disk drives get tired and chips can get amnesia. What about the
serious student who buys what is a decent machine now and finds
that the courses are structured around a differnt one in two years.

Enough said by me. Anyone out there want to give me better reasons
for being bothered bt this. Does someone want to justify Drexels'
position?

By the way they claim that Carnegie-Mellon and other schools will
be doing the same in the next few years. I really hope this isn't
a new trend.

renner (10/22/82)

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uiucdcs!renner    Oct 22 14:12:00 1982

It doesn't bother me all that much.  If you don't want to buy the machine,
you can always go to another school.

david (10/23/82)

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pur-ee!david    Oct 22 18:02:00 1982

It seems like that will be "the shape of things to come".  Here at
just the Purdue EE school, we have some freshman programming classes
of 200-300 people. It is almost impossible for an EE to go through
school without programming in at least 5 classes.  Most of the
processing time on the system is spent editing files.  You don't
need a Vax to edit most files!  Yet we see outrageous load and
user averages due mostly to file manipulation.  To solve part of the 
problem, The school bought a second Vax and moved half the accounts 
to the new machine.  The problem we now see is people connecting to 
one machine from the other because they see the first open terminal 
and not necessarily the one their account is on.  Consequently, instead 
of having half the users on each machine, we have the same number of 
users on TWO machines (with a good percentage being those connect to the
other Vax).  

As a student I wouldn't like purchasing any equipment that I'll
hardly use after I leave.  But the trade-off could be it will
improve my turn-around when I need it. And if I didn't like the
PC, I could sell it to some unsuspecting freshman.  

I'd imagine in the specific case, a company will open up that will
rent PC's to students much the same way companies rent dorm
refrigerators, anyway.

And The nice thing is I'm graduating and I won't have to worry about
it after May!

Dave White
pur-ee!david

mcewan (10/23/82)

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uiucdcs!mcewan    Oct 23 01:54:00 1982

If you think that's bad, get this: out here at the University of Illinois
they actually require students to buy BOOKS. I think its ridiculous to
require that someone who comes here on a football scholarship be able to
read. You can spend hundreds of dollars on books you'll never look at after
the course is finished. Obviously someone in the university has made a
deal with some publisher.

knudsen (10/30/82)

I fully agree with whoever mentioned the value of student computer usage
with respect to word processing.  In grad school I did several term papers
using MIT's CTSS 7094 typeset-runoff.  I was afraid my master's thesis was
too big for the system, so (regretably) did not use it.
At Carnegie, I did my entire PhD thesis on an early Xerox graphic printer
word processing system.
Granted, I'm a CS graduate, but I used word processing just like anyone else.
Shame that WP is considered "office only" or "woman's work".
It was taken for granted that every college freshman needs a typewriter;
but boy, wouldn't I have loved a word processing terminal back then!!!