art@teach.dec.com (Think the UNTHINKABLE) (12/20/88)
[...Just when you thought it was safe go back on the net...} To quote myself: > So, fellow LISPers, our favorite computer is still without any kind > of decent LISP software. To which Peter Yadlowsky replied: >Maybe I don't know what a "decent" Lisp environment is, as I haven't >been exposed to very many of them. KCL is the biggest I've used. >However, I think XLisp is kinda nice, especially considering it's PD. Before anyone thinks I'm putting down XLISP or Dave Betz's wonderful efforts, let my clarify this a bit: First, I'd like to see a more or less full implementation of CL on the Amiga. (I wouldn't gripe if it didn't support "~@R" format-strings for example...) Even better, one that had hooks available for getting at all the Amiga stuff. Second, I really want a LISP COMPILER; the speed differences alone between an interpreted and a compiled LISP are enough to determine whether that LISP can be used for real development or just for toy systems. For all it's good qualities, XLISP is still s..l..o..w.. Both of these criteria are met by LISP systems available for computers from the "Typewriter Company" and the "Fruit Vendor" -- in fact, TI will soon be releasing a LISP board for the Mac II. I love my Amiga dearly, and I wish that it's potential as a cheap/powerful development tool for AI applications would be recognized. Art Baker Working for, but certainly not | If Wanda Landowska had married Howard expressing the opinions of | Hughes, then been widowed and married Digital Equipt Corp. | Henry Kissinger, she'd be Wanda Hughes | Kissinger now.
randy@bcsaic.UUCP (Randy Groves) (12/22/88)
In article <8812201450.AA10061@decwrl.dec.com> art@teach.dec.com (Think the UNTHINKABLE) writes: > TI > will soon be releasing a LISP board for the Mac II. I love my Amiga > dearly, and I wish that it's potential as a cheap/powerful development > tool for AI applications would be recognized. > Already released, in fact. Been out for at least a year. Also there is another, similar product for you Symbolics hackers out there from Symbolics. I have mentioned the possibility of a Ivory (Symbolics' board) for the Amiga to my Symbolics contacts, but have not met with any interest, as the market they see would not be big enough. I too, think that the Amiga has potential as a good development platform for AI applications. -- -randy groves - Boeing Advanced Technology Center UUCP: ..!uw-beaver!uw-june!bcsaic!randy USNail: Boeing Computer Services CSNET: randy@atc.boeing.com PO Box 24346 M/S 7L-68 VOICE: (206)865-3424 Seattle, WA 98124
pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) (12/23/88)
In article <9384@bcsaic.UUCP> randy@bcsaic.UUCP (Randy Groves) writes: >In article <8812201450.AA10061@decwrl.dec.com> art@teach.dec.com (Think the UNTHINKABLE) writes: >> TI >> will soon be releasing a LISP board for the Mac II. I love my Amiga >> dearly, and I wish that it's potential as a cheap/powerful development >> tool for AI applications would be recognized. >> >Already released, in fact. Been out for at least a year. C'mon, don't just drop something like this and run. What is it? Who makes it? How does it work? How many $$$? Lawd a'mercy, such a tease you are! :-) Peter M. Yadlowsky Academic Computing Center University of Virginia pmy@vivaldi.acc.Virginia.EDU
randy@bcsaic.UUCP (Randy Groves) (12/29/88)
In article <958@hudson.acc.virginia.edu> pmy@vivaldi.acc.Virginia.EDU.acc.Virginia.EDU (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: >In article <9384@bcsaic.UUCP> randy@bcsaic.UUCP I wrote: >>In article <8812201450.AA10061@decwrl.dec.com> art@teach.dec.com (Think the UNTHINKABLE) writes: >>> TI >>> will soon be releasing a LISP board for the Mac II. I love my Amiga >>> dearly, and I wish that it's potential as a cheap/powerful development >>> tool for AI applications would be recognized. >>> >>Already released, in fact. Been out for at least a year. > >C'mon, don't just drop something like this and run. What is it? >Who makes it? How does it work? How many $$$? >Lawd a'mercy, such a tease you are! :-) > I hope you didn't construe my note to mean that there was a board for Amiga. Only the MAC as far as I know. There are plans for other platforms on both sides of the spectrum (pricewise) from the MAC. There are two boards available. One is made by TI, using their ExplorerII chip. To uprade a MACII costs about $15,000. There is also another board made by Symbolics for the MAC, that utilizes their Ivory chip. To upgrade a MACII costs from $11K to $18K, depending on whether you want just the Ivory board or the board plus a 300M disk drive. Both these prices are for a stripped-down delivery machine. For development, you can spend more, starting about $20K more. I would love to have either of those companies build a board for the Amiga, but the market is not big enough yet, and the Lisp Machine market is even smaller. This discussion is really not right for this newsgroup, if it goes any further, so please e-mail or follow-up to comp.sys.mac. -- -randy groves - Boeing Advanced Technology Center UUCP: ..!uw-beaver!uw-june!bcsaic!randy USNail: Boeing Computer Services CSNET: randy@atc.boeing.com PO Box 24346 M/S 7L-68 VOICE: (206)865-3424 Seattle, WA 98124