Tollefson (Jon_Tollefson_) (02/25/89)
Hello, I recently bought an NEC multisync II monitor. It came with a cable for connecting to an IBM. I had a local dealer wire one of the cable ends to plug into the Amiga. But now the hard disk (autoboot) won't boot when the monitor is connected to the computer. The monitor will flash a couple of times but then stay black. The hard disk activity light doesn't appear to come on at all. If either end of the cable is disconnected then it will boot when the computer is turned on. After the disk has started to boot I can connect the video cable and the picture is fine and it completes the booting process with no problem. I don't have any other extra hardware attached. Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, what was the problem/solution? Thanks, Jon Tollefson.Henr@Xerox.com
jimm@amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) (02/25/89)
In article <9577@louie.udel.EDU> Tollefson (Jon_Tollefson_) writes:
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)I recently bought an NEC multisync II monitor. It came with a cable for
)connecting to an IBM. I had a local dealer wire one of the cable ends to
)plug into the Amiga. But now the hard disk (autoboot) won't boot when the
)monitor is connected to the computer. The monitor will flash a couple of
)times but then stay black. The hard disk activity light doesn't appear to
)come on at all. If either end of the cable is disconnected then it will
)boot when the computer is turned on. After the disk has started to boot I
)can connect the video cable and the picture is fine and it completes the
)booting process with no problem. I don't have any other extra hardware
)attached. Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, what was the
)problem/solution?
You're going to need more information than I can give you, but the basic story
is this. The NEC cable is connecting to two signals, horizontal and vertical
sync, that typically aren't used. There function is combined on a single pin
called composite sync which is normal for common monitors.
The genlock capability of the Amiga is mainly the machine's ability to synchronize
itself with the video of an external source, such as a VCR hooked up to a genlock
adapter. The Amiga is mistaking noise on one of the sync lines for an external
source, and deciding to let it control the timing of the machine. This doesn't
work, of course, and the machine dies.
The trick is to install a "buffer on the sync lines" on the Amiga end of
the cable. It's a single cheap chip, but has to be hooked up in there somehow.
This problem (and adapted cables) will soon be in abundance, since to benefit
from the new modes of the Enhanced Chip Set, you need to hook up a multi-frequency
monitor to hsync and vsync.
There is some tech note, perhaps available to dealers, which explains how
to make such an adapter. Someday, I expect to see somebody sell adapters
for popular multi-monitors.
Perhaps someone has an online version of the description, or the address
of someone who will solder you one up. It will probably be best marketed
as a 23-9 pin connector (or whatever is on the end of the NEC cable), so
if you hacked the end off your cable and stuck on a 23 pin, it's solderin'
time.
The test for genlock is done at boot time, in software. If you survive
that by disconnecting, it won't check again. Sort of drastic. Before
we had a buffer on ours, we had a switch on (whichever) sync, which we
kept open during boot. hack hack hack
jimm
--
Jim Mackraz, I and I Computing "Like you said when we crawled down
{cbmvax,well,oliveb}!amiga!jimm from the trees: We're in transition."
- Gang of Four
Opinions are my own. Comments are not to be taken as Commodore official policy.hugh@censor.UUCP (Hugh D. Gamble) (02/26/89)
In article <9577@louie.udel.EDU>, Tollefson (Jon_Tollefson_) writes:
] I recently bought an NEC multisync II monitor. It came with a cable for
] connecting to an IBM. I had a local dealer wire one of the cable ends to
] plug into the Amiga. But now the hard disk (autoboot) won't boot when the
] monitor is connected to the computer. The monitor will flash a couple of
] times but then stay black. The hard disk activity light doesn't appear to
] come on at all. If either end of the cable is disconnected then it will
] boot when the computer is turned on. After the disk has started to boot I
] can connect the video cable and the picture is fine and it completes the
] booting process with no problem. I don't have any other extra hardware
] attached. Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, what was the
] problem/solution?
Your cable is wrong. You should be able to buy one that isn't, or hack
some more with the one you've got. I believe the problem is that the
Amy is reading a clock signal coming in from the NEC (it's used by the
Amy for genlocks & stuff) and that's what's confusing it. Using the
proper cable everything will work fine.
--
Hugh D. Gamble (416) 581-4354 {lsuc, utzoo}!censor!hugh (Std. Disclaimers)
I don't want to live in a beer commercial,
I just want to play with some of the girls from one. :^)hugh@censor.UUCP (Hugh D. Gamble) (02/26/89)
In article <3397@amiga.UUCP>, jimm@amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) writes: ] In article <9577@louie.udel.EDU> Tollefson (Jon_Tollefson_) writes: ] ) ] )I recently bought an NEC multisync II monitor. It came with a cable for ] )connecting to an IBM. I had a local dealer wire one of the cable ends to ] )plug into the Amiga. But now the hard disk (autoboot) won't boot when the ] )monitor is connected to the computer. The monitor will flash a couple of ... ] You're going to need more information than I can give you, but the basic story ] is this. The NEC cable is connecting to two signals, horizontal and vertical ] sync, that typically aren't used. There function is combined on a single pin ] called composite sync which is normal for common monitors. There are a couple of ways of cabling the NEC MS II that should work. It has both separate H & V sync, and a composite sync. The cable hooking mine to my A2000 uses the composite sync and works perfectly. ... ] The trick is to install a "buffer on the sync lines" on the Amiga end of ] the cable. It's a single cheap chip, but has to be hooked up in there somehow. My cable using the composite sync doesn't add a buffer. I had heard that some other multisync monitors required buffering to solve this problem. > This problem (and adapted cables) will soon be in abundance, since to benefit > from the new modes of the Enhanced Chip Set, you need to hook up a multi-frequency > monitor to hsync and vsync. I'm not a hardware guy, could someone explain whether having the composite sync hooked up instead of the separate sync will cease to work with the new modes of the ECS? Will the NEC MS II need the extra buffer chip for the separate sync lines? The extra few bucks for a cable adapter doesn't matter to me, I'd just like to know. ... > Perhaps someone has an online version of the description, or the address > of someone who will solder you one up. It will probably be best marketed > as a 23-9 pin connector (or whatever is on the end of the NEC cable), so > if you hacked the end off your cable and stuck on a 23 pin, it's solderin' > time. The NEC MS II comes with a 9 pin end, and a 15 pin adapter for PS/2 connection. ... > jimm > > -- > Jim Mackraz, I and I Computing "Like you said when we crawled down > {cbmvax,well,oliveb}!amiga!jimm from the trees: We're in transition." > - Gang of Four > Opinions are my own. Comments are not to be taken as Commodore official policy. -- Hugh D. Gamble (416) 581-4354 {lsuc, utzoo}!censor!hugh (Std. Disclaimers) I don't want to live in a beer commercial, I just want to play with some of the girls from one. :^)