[comp.sys.amiga] Wanted: TCP/IP

hopp@thor.stolaf.edu (Eric D. Hopp) (02/10/89)

This is a plea for information and leads on TCP/IP on the Amiga.  This is
also trying to (I hope) stir up some interest in some neat possibilities...

This is my situation:  I am a student at St. Olaf college, helping the Art
department set up a computer graphics system, using Amigas and Macs.  I found
the KA9Q stuff, and it really fired my imagination of what could be done with
TCP/IP on the Amiga.

Imagine the following scenario:  One Amiga with lots of serial ports, connected
to our campus vaxes, various serial printers, and a cheap appletalk - like 
serial network with lots of Amigas on it.  This Amiga, call it "Picaso", would
always be available as our gateway, mail server, printer server, and possibly 
file server.  Users of other Amigas could log into the vaxes with a net-based
terminal emulator, print files on *any* printer the server knows about, with
automatic queueing, send mail, ftp, or telnet anywhere, and generally do neat
things.

This would be even more fun if an appletalk bridge existed somewhere.  We could
use the Laserwriter II from the Amigas, and they could use the HP Paintjet.

The pieces are potentially here.  Use appletalk-like hardware to connect 
serial ports running at top speed.  (I believe this is basicly what the 
hardware level of appletalk consists of, along with a protocal chip.)  A prt:
like device could be written that implements the TCP/IP protocals for the
port of your choice -- ser:, par:, SCSI, ethernet, etc.  You could use KA9Q
or some of the recently released Berkely code to get a head start.
Application programs would then deal with our net: device.  There is the
Columbia Appletalk Package, which allows UNIX to be on an appletalk network.
This could be ported or used as is.

Mail would be fairly easy.  Outgoing messages could be held in ram until they
could be sent to the mail server.  (Picaso)  He would accept any incoming mail,
and potentially add password protection to the mailfiles.  Local mail is easy,
everything else gets passed to the vaxes.

Printing might be interesting.  Users would use a generic net client printer
driver.  Print jobs would be sent to the server, which would line them up
with the proper printer driver / printer combination.  Queueing could be
rather sophisticated.  Also, if the server knew how to send stuff to the
Laserwriter on the Appletalk network, or the Imagen connected to the Vaxes,
those printers would also be available.

Are these possibilities making anyone else drool?  The Amiga should certainly
be capable of all this!

Now, back to my plea for information.  

Does anyone know where the source for a *working* Amiga version of KA9Q is?
I hear this stuff is fairly modular.  (cool!)

Does anyone know of, or have experience with, readily available software that
would help to fulfil the ideas I've expressed?  How much does Ameristar offer,
besides an ethernet card?

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I've offered this as a plea for information, but I'd really like to have it
be taken as the beginning of some exciting ideas of things the Amiga is 
certainly capable of.

Can you imagine what computing will be like if wb 1.4 includes a TCP/IP
device that can use *any* port, along with user-level software to take 
advantage of it, and an option for *cheap* networking hardware?  Wow!

Think of it.  You could use your modem as a medium for a SLIP like to your
favorite UNIX host.  You could ftp from your Amiga, an telnet the UNIX host
at the same time!  We could have printer servers, file servers, mail servers,
........ (Calm down, Eric!)  :-)


Anyway, please mail information to me, or, if appropriate, post it.  If I get
smothered in mail, I'll be sure to post a summary.

Eric Hopp		          or just.....    hopp@stolaf.edu
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN 55057

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are mine, all mine, and none but mine.

Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com (03/05/89)

   Eric Hopp, in the meantime, until you realize all the ideas you have
for the lan and servers, etc., it's not too difficult to interface your
computers with the Laserwriter II through the two serial settings (1200 or
9600), thus not needing the Appletalk.  We do this in an office with
2 Macs, several PCs and a Sun and sometimes my Amiga when I bring it in. -LH