hgm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) (06/12/89)
A few months ago there was a general discussion of color inkjet printers and inks. Out of this discussion I bought a Xerox 4020. I'm not encouraging discussion on the merits of this printer; let's just say I'm pleased with it. However, I've just used my last black ink cartridge. I've called Xerox, and been advised that I must use their ink cartridges for optimal results. I'd like to find a less expensive solution. I have heard of using watercolors and various other inks (such as the HP inkjet ink). Ideally, what I'd like to buy is a larger quantity, such as a pint bottle size. I do a lot of printing, and I anticipate I'll be doing even more in the near future. I need advice on what to use, or where to look. I'm obviously concerned of such things as ink jet clogging, etc. But spending $6.00 for two black ink cartridges, or $11.00 for a rainbow pack bothers me. Ideally, I'd also like to find something that will give the same saturated colors as I'm getting now. If it comes down to something that is cheaper, but gives less satisfying results, I'll bite the bullet and buy the Xerox cartridges. One other thing: Is there such a thing as a thermal transfer ink? A fluid, that when applied to paper and allowed to dry, creates a thermal transfer (like iron-ons for fabric). Does anyone have any experience with this? Please email me your suggestions. -- --------------- hgm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu "Things have changed, things will change, netoprhm@ncsuvm.bitnet and it breaks down." The Past Revisited 4/88
richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) (06/12/89)
In article <3157@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> hgm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu.UUCP (Hal G. Meeks) writes: >However, I've just used my last black ink cartridge. I've called Xerox, and >been advised that I must use their ink cartridges for optimal results. I'd >like to find a less expensive solution. I have heard of using watercolors >and various other inks (such as the HP inkjet ink). Ideally, what I'd like >to buy is a larger quantity, such as a pint bottle size. I do a lot of >printing, and I anticipate I'll be doing even more in the near future. I'd be REAL careful as to what ink you stick in your ink-jet printer. If it doesn't match exactly the original ink, it may clog the jets (an expensive proposition) or not match the smearing characteristics enought to make a decent picture. >I need advice on what to use, or where to look. I'm obviously concerned of >such things as ink jet clogging, etc. But spending $6.00 for two black ink >cartridges, or $11.00 for a rainbow pack bothers me. Ideally, I'd also like >to find something that will give the same saturated colors as I'm getting >now. If it comes down to something that is cheaper, but gives less >satisfying results, I'll bite the bullet and buy the Xerox cartridges. Ther was an ad in, I *believe*, AmigaWorld for an aftermarket ink supplier that sold ink jet inks for all the popular ink jet printers. >One other thing: Is there such a thing as a thermal transfer ink? A fluid, >that when applied to paper and allowed to dry, creates a thermal transfer >(like iron-ons for fabric). Does anyone have any experience with this? I have no direct experience but I did ask around once and found that it's not ink you want, its a paper with a plastic coating that you print/paint on, then iron the wretched mess onto a T-shirt or something. The bad news is I can't remember where you'd get this stuff, and my *guess* would be that it wouldnt stand up the the washing machine real well. > >Please email me your suggestions. > >-- >--------------- >hgm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu "Things have changed, things will change, >netoprhm@ncsuvm.bitnet and it breaks down." > The Past Revisited 4/88 -- ``The who's who of Milwaukee only eats Ugandan pineapples'' richard@gryphon.COM decwrl!gryphon!richard gryphon!richard@elroy.jpl.NASA.GOV
commike@sunybcs.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Alan Commike ) (06/13/89)
In article <16708@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: >In article <3157@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> hgm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu.UUCP (Hal G. Meeks) writes: [stuff about ink jet printers gone bye-bye] >I have no direct experience but I did ask around once and found that >it's not ink you want, its a paper with a plastic coating that you >print/paint on, then iron the wretched mess onto a T-shirt or something. > >The bad news is I can't remember where you'd get this stuff, and >my *guess* would be that it wouldnt stand up the the washing >machine real well. > This is something that I've been wanting to do for a long time, but could not get enough info on. I have a stack of the paper. It is called transfer paper, and could be gotten from most shops that make T-shirts and sweat shirts. The paper transfers to whatever it is against around 350F. My problem has been that we use Apple LaserWriters here, and according to the docs that came with the LaserWriter, it can get up to 200 degrees *Celcius* inside that thing! Does anyone know if the 200C number is correct. Has it changed with the LaserWriterII's. I have this really nice Eikonix camera sitting here, begging to make some T-shirts (makes great amiga and sun backgrounds too). thanks, ...alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- internet: commike@cs.buffalo.edu | What's an amiga? bitnet: commike@sunybcs.BITNET | just like a personal sun... uucp: ..!{watmath,boulder,decvax,rutgers}!sunybcs!commike Real-Life: Alan Commike - SUNY @ Buffalo, Buffalo NY "Huh?? - I have to cut my hair to get a job!? - Nah..." -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
farren@well.UUCP (Mike Farren) (06/13/89)
In article <6485@cs.Buffalo.EDU> commike@fomalhaut.UUCP (Alan Commike ) writes: >My problem has been that we use Apple LaserWriters here, and according to >the docs that came with the LaserWriter, it can get up to 200 degrees >*Celcius* inside that thing! Unfortunately, that's correct. The fuser rollers can get that hot - they're actually melting the ink (toner) onto the paper. Can't really get around it with current laser technology. But then, isn't the transfer paper an impact-sensitive thing? Or am I thinking of something else? -- Mike Farren uucp: well!farren
david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) (06/18/89)
In article <6485@cs.Buffalo.EDU> commike@fomalhaut.UUCP (Alan Commike ) writes: >My problem has been that we use Apple LaserWriters here, and according to >the docs that came with the LaserWriter, it can get up to 200 degrees >*Celcius* inside that thing! > >Does anyone know if the 200C number is correct. Has it changed with the >LaserWriterII's. I have this really nice Eikonix camera sitting here, >begging to make some T-shirts (makes great amiga and sun backgrounds too). The engines I am familiar with, the old Xerox engine that DEC used in the LN01 and the Canon engine, use heat to fuse the toner particles to the paper. This heat is a fundamental principle of how these printers work and it would take a radically different sort of toner to work without heat. What I know is fromm a talk with a DEC repairman who was working on our LN01 once. (We don't have the thing anylonger) As the paper goes through the engine toner is sprinkled on it. Then the laser paints across the page -- as the page passes by -- and ionizes some of the toner. As the next stage some toner is removed magnetically leaving the pixels behind, but unfused on the paper. Next it passes by a heated element which fuses the toner to the paper, and finally it passes sommething which removes the heat. Any inaccuracies are due to the intervening 4-5 years. -- <- David Herron; an MMDF guy <david@ms.uky.edu> <- ska: David le casse\*' {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <- <- New word for the day: Obnoxity -- an act of obnoxiousness