[comp.sys.amiga] X,Y or ZModem on Unix

cmp8163@sys.uea.ac.uk (Peter Vlietstra (University of East Anglia, Norwich, England)) (10/16/89)

Has anyone got a public domain version of an X, Y or Zmodem protocol
for use on the Sun systems (under Unix) ?
There is no such thing here and I would like to use it to download
Amiga files...
If so, could it be mailed to me ?

 Thanks,

 -Peter
CMP8163@UK.AC.UEA.SYS
University of East Anglia, Norwich, England.

strasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu ( Colin J. Strasser.) (10/17/89)

In article <753@sys.uea.ac.uk> cmp8163@sys.uea.ac.uk (Peter Vlietstra (University of East Anglia, Norwich, England)) writes:

>Has anyone got a public domain version of an X, Y or Zmodem protocol
>for use on the Sun systems (under Unix) ?

Or any other Unix box, for that matter... I once had a version of Xmodem which
I couldn't get to slow down to 2400 bps, so now I have to use Kermit -- easy,
but _sloooowww_.

>There is no such thing here and I would like to use it to download
>Amiga files...

Speaking of using Kermit to download Amiga files, I have a question.  I use
Diga! to connect to my LAN and then to my school's Vax.  To do this I must 
set Diga! to 7E1.  But from what I can figure, Kermit uses 8N1.  Hence, I 
can't transfer binaries right, since the high bit keeps getting stripped 
(even when I set Diga! to "Binary" mode).  So for now, I have to uuencode
everything I download and then uudecode it on Amy.  Maybe I'm lazy, but this
process sure is a pain in the neck.  Anybody know an easier way?  (I'm hoping
that another protocol will let me up/download at 7E1 and thus eliminate the
problem.)

>If so, could it be mailed to me ?
>
Better yet, post it to the net.  Please?

> Thanks,
(me too)
>
> -Peter
>CMP8163@UK.AC.UEA.SYS
>University of East Anglia, Norwich, England.

					-Colin

Colin Strasser				University of Pennsylvania
strasser@eniac.seas,upenn.edu		Moore Scool of Electrical Engineering

c60c-1bv@web-4f.berkeley.edu (Broth Hunter) (10/18/89)

In article <15571@netnews.upenn.edu> strasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.UUCP ( Colin J. Strasser.) writes:
>In article <753@sys.uea.ac.uk> cmp8163@sys.uea.ac.uk (Peter Vlietstra (University of East Anglia, Norwich, England)) writes:

{stuff deleted}

>Speaking of using Kermit to download Amiga files, I have a question.  I use
>Diga! to connect to my LAN and then to my school's Vax.  To do this I must 
>set Diga! to 7E1.  But from what I can figure, Kermit uses 8N1.  Hence, I 
>can't transfer binaries right, since the high bit keeps getting stripped 
>(even when I set Diga! to "Binary" mode).  So for now, I have to uuencode
>everything I download and then uudecode it on Amy.  Maybe I'm lazy, but this
>process sure is a pain in the neck.  Anybody know an easier way?  (I'm hoping
>that another protocol will let me up/download at 7E1 and thus eliminate the
>problem.)
>

I have been having a problem downloading ZOOed Amiga files from my UNIX
account that were obtained via FTP. I set "BINARY" mode on for FTP, I 
set-up my UNIX Kermit to "SEND amigafile.zoo" and then set-up my Amiga
Kermit (from VT-100 2.6 or so) to RECEIVE and the file is (eventually)
transfered to my Ami. The problem occurs when I try to unZOO the beast.
I get the first filename of the ZOOed file printed and then Mr. Guru pops
in to see how the family is doing. What am I flubbing up? How can I get
these FTPed files from UNIX to my Amiga with no errors?

Thanks in advance...
 
Damian Rickert
Professional Student

morgan@camtwh.UUCP (Morgan W. Jones) (10/18/89)

In article <15571@netnews.upenn.edu> strasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.UUCP ( Colin J. Strasser.) writes:
>Speaking of using Kermit to download Amiga files, I have a question.  I use
>Diga! to connect to my LAN and then to my school's Vax.  To do this I must 
>set Diga! to 7E1.  But from what I can figure, Kermit uses 8N1.  Hence, I 
>can't transfer binaries right, since the high bit keeps getting stripped 

You have to set both kermits 7E1 and Binary mode.  You might want to
set up a .kermrc file on the Unix end (assuming such) with something
like the following in it:

	set parity even
	set file type binary
	set file name literal

And you may also want to set Diga to binary mode as well.
-- 
Morgan W. Jones					(morgan@camtwh)
Orama Incorporated, Toronto, Canada.		(416) 369-5088

allen@tcville.HAC.COM (Allen Farrington) (10/18/89)

Use DNET instead of X/Y/Z modem between Amigas and Unix 
boxes.  It's faster than X/Y and comparable to Z modem.

  --Allen

P.S.  Hope things are all ok up in Berkeley with you Matt.


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gregg@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (gregg.g.wonderly) (10/19/89)

From article <1989Oct18.030126.9195@agate.berkeley.edu>, by c60c-1bv@web-4f.berkeley.edu (Broth Hunter):
> I have been having a problem downloading ZOOed Amiga files from my UNIX
> account that were obtained via FTP.

Kermit has two settable parameters that control its ability to transfer
binary files.  "set file type binary" removes any translation or handling
of an end of line sequence.  Normal Kermit policy is to have the sending
end convert its "new line" sequence to the character sequence,
carriage return followed by linefeed.  On the receiving end, the
reception of this sequence causes that end to replace those characters
with its end of line sequence.  "set eighth-bit-quoting on" causes
the sending kermit to remove the eighth bit from all characters and
preceed the transmitted character with the eighth-bit quote character.

There are several problems with sending ZOO/ARC files using kermit
under these conditions.  Even if the data path supports eight bit
characters, one must use "set file type binary" to assure the occurances
of <CR><LF> which occur either by chance or by choice are not translated
to the new line sequence of the receiving host (when the translation
is to change the characters to something different, like just <LF>).

I have always found it better to "set eighth-bit-quoting on" too
just to be safe.

-- 
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gregg.g.wonderly@att.com   (AT&T bell laboratories)

kianusch@unicom.UUCP (sayah karadji) (10/19/89)

In article <753@sys.uea.ac.uk> cmp8163@sys.uea.ac.uk (Peter Vlietstra (University of East Anglia, Norwich, England)) writes:
 | Has anyone got a public domain version of an X, Y or Zmodem protocol
 | for use on the Sun systems (under Unix) ?
 | There is no such thing here and I would like to use it to download
 | Amiga files...
 | If so, could it be mailed to me ?
 | 
 |  Thanks,
 | 
 |  -Peter
 | CMP8163@UK.AC.UEA.SYS
 | University of East Anglia, Norwich, England.

Usualy Umodem is the Unix-verison for X-modem...
should be on the system...

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hjanssen@cbnewse.ATT.COM (hank janssen) (10/20/89)

Peter,

I emailed the protocol reference and the c sources, but it was
bounced back to me. I'm in The Netherlands and there must be
a shorter way from the Netherlands to the UK then through the
USA. When you provide me with an appropriate path I will try again.

We compiled the c source on our 3B2 and it runs bugfree, so I
assume it will work on a sun too.

email: att!hvlpa!jsodaar

groeten
                                              Hans

rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks) (10/22/89)

In article <286@tcville.HAC.COM> allen@tcville.UUCP (Allen Farrington) writes:
>Use DNET instead of X/Y/Z modem between Amigas and Unix 
>boxes.  It's faster than X/Y and comparable to Z modem.

Ok, great.  There's only one problem.  What if you're running System V Unix?

We have two 3B15's and several 3B2's over here, but no BSD Unix machines.  The
last time that I checked, DNet was very BSD specific.

Is there a version of DNet that works on System V based machines?

>  --Allen
>
>P.S.  Hope things are all ok up in Berkeley with you Matt.

Same here.  Also, I'd like to know how the other Amigans in that area are doing.

I kept hearing on the news that Los Gatos was near to the center of the
earthquake.  I also remember hearing that, thankfully, no one was killed there.

Wasn't Commodore/Amiga West Coast located in Los Gatos?


- Rodney
-- 
"We may have come over here in different ships,
 but we're all in the same boat now."   --   Jesse Jackson

Rodney Ricks,   Morehouse Software Group

thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) (10/23/89)

Rodney Ricks asks what happened in N.California re: the earthquake, and
what happened in Los Gatos.

I posted a brief report in "Amiga Survives 7.0 Earthquake."

Sadly, Los Gatos was VERY badly hit.  Rob Peck lives/lived in Los Gatos,
and when I spoke with him, his home sustained 90% damage.

He and his wife Andrea had FORTUNATELY gone out to dinner 1 hour earlier
that evening, and they're both safe.

His Amiga and other equipment were totalled; I offered Rob the use of one
of my spare Amigas once he's settled in safer quarters.

The "inland" communities of Los Gatos, Saratoga, Monte Sereno, Scotts Valley,
Boulder Creek (and other mountain sites), Santa Cruz, Aptos, Hollister, etc.
are ALL near the epicenter and greatly affected.

As I mentioned briefly before, the computed force of the 7.0 'quake was
stated to be equivalent to a 2-to-3 megaton H-bomb.

The scars and memories will linger for a LONG time.

Looking at and helping clear the rubble, it's simply incredible there wasn't
more loss of life.

On the brighter side, MANY and MOST communities were not seriously affected,
contrary to the impressions given by the typical slanted network news reports.

What kinda irked me were the network news readers cavorting-about in their
white stretch limos, pontificating and blowing hot air, and not doing a
DAMNED thing to help the situation (and in many cases interfering with
rescue efforts).  The earthquake was NOT a Saturday evening demolition
derby, and, at times, I almost felt like banging some heads together to
try and beat some sense into them.  Sigh.  They were more concerned about
every hair being in place for the TV than in the pain, suffering and anguish
surrounding them.

Sorry, I don't mean to pontificate myself, just had to get some of these
frustrations out in the open.

If anyone wants to truly help, send donations in care of your local American
Red Cross.

Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR)  ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ]

magik@sorinc.PacBell.COM (Darrin A. Hyrup) (10/23/89)

In article <32300@auc.UUCP> rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks) writes:
>In article <286@tcville.HAC.COM> allen@tcville.UUCP (Allen Farrington) writes:
>>Use DNET instead of X/Y/Z modem between Amigas and Unix
>>boxes.  It's faster than X/Y and comparable to Z modem.
>
>Ok, great.  There's only one problem.  What if you're running System V Unix?
>
>We have two 3B15's and several 3B2's over here, but no BSD Unix machines.  The
>last time that I checked, DNet was very BSD specific.
>
>Is there a version of DNet that works on System V based machines?

I believe you're right. I don't think Matt is planning to write a SysV
version, but since sources are included, some enterprising soul might be
able to come up with a SysV version with some time and effort.

>>  --Allen

>>P.S.	Hope things are all ok up in Berkeley with you Matt.
>
>Same here.  Also, I'd like to know how the other Amigans in that area are doing.

I talked with Matt this evening and he's doing well. There wasn't a whole
lot of damage in the Berkeley area. More folks were scared than hurt.

>I kept hearing on the news that Los Gatos was near to the center of the
>earthquake.  I also remember hearing that, thankfully, no one was killed
>there.

The epicenter isn't too far away from Los Gatos. In the Santa Cruz mountains
near the reservoir. There is plenty of damage, and lots of hurt folks, but
from what I've been able to tell, no deaths and its gonna take a LOT of $$$
to get that area in shape again.

>Wasn't Commodore/Amiga West Coast located in Los Gatos?

Not sure, but don't Dale Luck and Rob Peck also live in Los Gatos? Funny
thing is when I heard the quake was centered in the Los Gatos region that
too was the first thought across my mind. ("I hope Amiga West, Boing (Dale
Luck), and Rob Peck made it through!")  ;-)

>Rodney Ricks,	 Morehouse Software Group

		Darrin
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rap@peck.ardent.com (Rob Peck) (10/24/89)

In article <23318@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>
>Sadly, Los Gatos was VERY badly hit.  Rob Peck lives/lived in Los Gatos,
>and when I spoke with him, his home sustained 90% damage.
>He and his wife Andrea had FORTUNATELY gone out to dinner 1 hour earlier
>that evening, and they're both safe.
>His Amiga and other equipment were totalled; I offered Rob the use of one
>of my spare Amigas once he's settled in safer quarters.

I thank Thad for the news posting, but it appears that my brief encounter
with him left a somewhat worse impression than actually happened.  The
90% figure is damage and destruction of contents.  The house itself is still
standing and sustained major structural damage to the lowest of the
three stories and some as yet unknown damage to the upper floors including
(unfortunately) some roof leaks.  The contents were nearly totalled because
as the mountain moved, so did most of the house but the contents were
launched airborne such that anything that was at the wall landed a minimum
of 6 feet from the wall including a dresser and bar assembly that each
weigh a pretty good amount, and both were upside down when we got home.
The chandeliers, each on a 2 foot chain, had each marked the ceiling
a minimum of 4 times within their circular reach.  Ami seems to be totalled...
monitor might have survived but the downstairs wall broke in and filled
the monitor with water.  (sigh).   Well, gotta go cleanup.  AND we HAVE
insurance, thanks.  LARGE deductible, but we'll put it together and get
on.  Thanks Thad, for the concern.

Rob Peck

brianm@sco.COM (Brian Moffet) (10/25/89)

In article <32300@auc.UUCP> rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks) writes:
>
>Same here.  Also, I'd like to know how the other Amigans
>in that area are doing.
>
>I kept hearing on the news that Los Gatos was near to the center of the
>earthquake.  I also remember hearing that, thankfully, no one was killed there.
>
>Wasn't Commodore/Amiga West Coast located in Los Gatos?

Well,  one Amiga located in Live Oak in Sunny Santa Cruz Survived.  
The monitor took a beating, but it lives.

The epicenter was located at Loma Prieta (sp?) which is about 10 miles
from Santa Cruz.  There is some discussion as to whether
the San Andreas or the Zayante fault caused the earthquake.  Some
people speculate that the San Andreas set off the Zayante fault.

Los Gatos's major problem was the water supply which was knocked out
for quite a while.  However, Scotts Valley and Santa Cruz took major
damage in various parts.  Santa Cruz lost a large portion of the
central "mall" which has been standing for ages.  It came tumbling
down, killing 2 in the local "Santa Cruz Coffee Roasting Company".

Hopefully the damage in Berkely was not too extensive, as I believe that
city is built on fairly solid ground.

My best wishes to those who have lost more than I have in the quake.
My life is coming back to normal now.

Now for some amiga stuff:
I have a Supra Hard Disk/controller on my ami 1000, and a StarBoard II
which currently has 1 Meg installed.  Anyone else been able to add
more memory to their system beyond the 2 Meg capacity of the Starboard
when they have the configuration?

Thanks

brian moffet
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