hull@hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) (10/10/89)
I have seen a couple of notes about a bug in Workbench 1.3 that can cause a whole drawer of files to apparently vanish (usually into another drawer that's represented by a nearby drawer icon) as a result of merely selecting the icon! I have also seen notes indicating that the "Empty" drawer cannot at times be copied (this may result in a circularly nested directory structure in which none of the files can be accessed). There is even a variation of the WB bug that occurs in generic hard disk directories (I don't know if this is for OFS or FFS) that can result in the files not appearing in a directory list, but nonetheless remaining within possibility of access from the CLI provided the file names are known. However, a week ago while working with a bunch of files in my ProjectMaster drawer on my hard disk, I did a shift click on three Icons, selected the Workbench "Discard" menu item, and of course got the "Ok to Discard?" requester. When I approved the discard of the three selected Icons and their associated files, the workbench deleted _ALL_ of the Icons and the related files in this entire directory (residing on my hard disk in an OFS partition). Gee, was I ever surprised! Gee, was I ever p*'d. Is this a bug in WB 1.3? Are any of these bugs _FIXED_ in WB 1.3.2? Howard Hull hull@hao.ucar.edu
new@udel.edu (Darren New) (10/10/89)
In article <4657@ncar.ucar.edu> hull@hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) writes: >However, a week ago while working with a bunch of files in my ProjectMaster >drawer on my hard disk, I did a shift click on three Icons, selected the >Workbench "Discard" menu item, and of course got the "Ok to Discard?" >requester. When I approved the discard of the three selected Icons and >their associated files, the workbench deleted _ALL_ of the Icons and the >related files in this entire directory (residing on my hard disk in an >OFS partition). Gee, was I ever surprised! Gee, was I ever p*'d. Is this >a bug in WB 1.3? Are any of these bugs _FIXED_ in WB 1.3.2? I've had this happen too. I realized (after the fact) that the basic problem is that when you open a drawer, IT STAYS SELECTED!!!!! If you then shift-click to select more icons, THAT DRAWER IS STILL SELECTED!!!! If you discard, THE DRAWER IS STILL SELECTED!!!!!!!!!!! (get my drift? :-) I recommend that everyone get in the habit of clicking somewhere to deselect everything before selecting stuff to discard. Once I started doing this, I never encountered this "bug" again. Good luck. Happy hacking. -- Darren
portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) (10/10/89)
In article <4657@ncar.ucar.edu> hull@hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) writes:
However, a week ago while working with a bunch of files in my ProjectMaster
drawer on my hard disk, I did a shift click on three Icons, selected the
Workbench "Discard" menu item, and of course got the "Ok to Discard?"
requester. When I approved the discard of the three selected Icons and
their associated files, the workbench deleted _ALL_ of the Icons and the
related files in this entire directory (residing on my hard disk in an
OFS partition). Gee, was I ever surprised! Gee, was I ever p*'d. Is this
a bug in WB 1.3? Are any of these bugs _FIXED_ in WB 1.3.2?
Howard Hull
hull@hao.ucar.edu
Workbench is unchanged in 1.3.2.
What probably happened to you is this:
* you double-clicked on the icon for the ProjectMaster drawer.
The ProjectMaster icon was selected, and its window appeared
on the screen.
* you shift-clicked on the three icons in the drawer. This
selected them IN ADDITION to the ProjectMaster Icon.
* When you selected "Discard", it threw away everything
including the ProjectMaster drawer.
This is not a bug, but a "feature" of the Workbench. The solution is
to de-select all icons before shift-clicking a new set of selections.
The easiest way to do this is to single-click on the first selection
and shift-click on the rest.
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portuesi@SGI.COMutoddl@uncecs.edu (Todd M. Lewis) (10/10/89)
In article <4657@ncar.ucar.edu>, hull@hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) writes: > However, a week ago while working with a bunch of files in my ProjectMaster > drawer on my hard disk, I did a shift click on three Icons, selected the > Workbench "Discard" menu item, and of course got the "Ok to Discard?" > requester. When I approved the discard of the three selected Icons and > their associated files, the workbench deleted _ALL_ of the Icons and the > related files in this entire directory (residing on my hard disk in an > OFS partition). Gee, was I ever surprised! Gee, was I ever p*'d. Is this > a bug in WB 1.3? Are any of these bugs _FIXED_ in WB 1.3.2? > Howard Hull > hull@hao.ucar.edu This is not a bug; it did just what you asked. When you double-click a drawer icon, the window for that drawer opens, but the icon remains selected. You may not be aware of it though because often the new window obscures its icon. If you then Shift-select more icons and choose Discard from the menu, all your selected items will be discarded. Because this does present such a risk, I think WB1.4 should have drawer icons unselect themselves when they are opened. Until this, if you are about to shift-select several icons, first click on a workbench window's background to make sure nothing is already selected. _____ | Todd M. Lewis Disclaimer: If you want my employer's ||\/| utoddl@ecsvax.uncecs.edu ideas, you'll have to || || utoddl@ecsvax.bitnet _buy_ them. | || |___ ("Prgrms wtht cmmnts r lk sntncs wtht vwls." --TML)
daveb@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Berezowski) (10/10/89)
In article <4657@ncar.ucar.edu> hull@hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) writes: > >However, a week ago while working with a bunch of files in my ProjectMaster >drawer on my hard disk, I did a shift click on three Icons, selected the >Workbench "Discard" menu item, and of course got the "Ok to Discard?" >requester. When I approved the discard of the three selected Icons and >their associated files, the workbench deleted _ALL_ of the Icons and the >related files in this entire directory (residing on my hard disk in an >OFS partition). Gee, was I ever surprised! Gee, was I ever p*'d. Is this >a bug in WB 1.3? Are any of these bugs _FIXED_ in WB 1.3.2? > Howard Hull > hull@hao.ucar.edu No, this is not a bug BUT some may view it as such. Here is what happened. The drawer icon for the window in which you were working in must have been selected before you started shift-clicking on the icons (that you wanted to discard) in the window. When you were done, you had the drawer icon selected (unknown to you) and some icons in that drawer. Workbench thought that you wanted to delete the entire drawer (since you had the drawer selected) and proceeded to do so for you. Sorry. No, this is not fixed in 1.3.2. For V1.4 workbench will tell you how many icons you have selected for deletion. So if you shift-select two icons, choose discard and see that workbench is telling you that its about to delete three icons, you'll know something is wrong. Yes, I know that there are more sophisticated things wb could do like search the entire deletion list and report duplicates. In the above case it could say something like 'You have just asked to delete the entire contents of drawer blah blah and some of the icons in it as well. This request is redundant! Are you sure you want me to do this?'. As time/resources permit we will continue to enhance the system software. daveb
ewout@cbmvax.UUCP (Ewout Walraven - CATS) (10/10/89)
In article <4657@ncar.ucar.edu> hull@hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) writes: [...] >However, a week ago while working with a bunch of files in my ProjectMaster >drawer on my hard disk, I did a shift click on three Icons, selected the >Workbench "Discard" menu item, and of course got the "Ok to Discard?" >requester. When I approved the discard of the three selected Icons and >their associated files, the workbench deleted _ALL_ of the Icons and the >related files in this entire directory (residing on my hard disk in an >OFS partition). Gee, was I ever surprised! Gee, was I ever p*'d. Is this >a bug in WB 1.3? Are any of these bugs _FIXED_ in WB 1.3.2? > Howard Hull > hull@hao.ucar.edu First thing which comes to mind: Might you've selected the three icons with the shift key down, while your Drawer icon was still selected? I.e. you just opened the drawer (hence it's selected), pressed shift and started selecting more icons? In that case what hapened was supposed to happen. EC -- Ewout Walraven - CATS Commodore Business Machines, Inc. PHONE: 215-431-9426 UUCP: {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!ewout
kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) (10/11/89)
In episode <1989Oct10.131752.19374@uncecs.edu>, we heard utoddl@uncecs.edu (Todd M. Lewis) say: |... When you double-click |a drawer icon, the window for that drawer opens, but the icon remains |selected... If you then Shift-select more icons and |choose Discard from the menu, all your selected items will be |discarded. | Because this does present such a risk, I think WB1.4 should have |drawer icons unselect themselves when they are opened. Until this, |if you are about to shift-select several icons, first click on a |workbench window's background to make sure nothing is already |selected. I'm not sure this is the solution either; Cleanup and Snapshot both require clicking on the drawer or disk icon; it's nice to open a window & immediately be able to clean it up (an option you'll be doing about as often as deleting). THE ANSWER is, of course, that every time you start shift-clicking things, make the first one a regular click. This will deselect anything which happened to have been "left over" selected. Kenneth Herron
) Seaman) (10/12/89)
utoddl@uncecs.edu (Todd M. Lewis) writes: < hull@hao.ucar.edu (Howard Hull) writes: < < [ Description of perils of discarding shift-selected files ] < < This is not a bug; it did just what you asked... < < ...if you are about to shift-select several icons, first click on a < workbench window's background to make sure nothing is already < selected. < Todd M. Lewis I've seen this answer in several responses, but I am confused. If you want to shift-select a group of icons, you don't need the shift key depressed for the first selection; only the second and subsequent selections require it. By NOT depressing the shift key when you make your first selection, any other selected drawer and/or file icons will be de-selected automagically :-). It would seem to me that never shift-selecting a first selection would be a good habit to develop. -- Chris (Insert phrase here) Seaman | ___-/^\-___ qatul batlh. crs@cpsc6a.att.com <or> | //__--\O/--__\\ qatul Huch. ...!att!cpsc6a!crs | // \\ qatul roj. The Home of the Killer Smiley | `\ /'
jb@cbmtor.UUCP (Jim Butterfield ) (10/16/89)
Possible fixes for this "finger problem" might be implemented
in a couple of ways on some future system release:
1. Attempting to multiple-select an icon cancels any selection
previously made on icons of a different class;
In this case, multiply-selecting TOOL icons would automatically
drop selection of the drawer; similarly, multiple selection of
PROJECTS would drop any previously selected tools...
Possible problem: drawers-within-drawers situation where the
user could STILL inadvertently leave the "parent" drawer selected as
inner drawers were picked out.
-- OR -- (probably a better idea)
2. Everything multiply-selected must be within one drawer or disk.
Tagging something within a new drawer-type structure would drop
previous selections made outside that structure. (Does anyone
really multiply select icons scattered across many drawers/disks?)
--jim b
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: .. and I'm my own boss! : jb@cbmtor :new@udel.edu (Darren New) (10/16/89)
In article <138@cbmtor.UUCP> jb@cbmtor.UUCP (Jim Butterfield ) writes: > 1. Attempting to multiple-select an icon cancels any selection >previously made on icons of a different class; EEEK! No! Then you would not be able to start up a project with other than the default tool. You also would not be able to start a tool passing it a drawer as an argument. > -- OR -- (probably a better idea) > 2. Everything multiply-selected must be within one drawer or disk. Just as bad. This is the Mac's solution to not thinking about directories when they first did the filesystem. Hence, all selected files must be in the same directory so the system can create a fake directory ID and pretend they are all on the same disk. Ugly and confusing. I like best the idea of modifyiong just the DISCARD option and not the entire selection process, if anything must be changed at all. Fixing diskcard "bugs" by changing the selection mechanism seems just the wrong way to do it. -- Darren
consp11@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Optimist Prime) (10/17/89)
In article <138@cbmtor.UUCP> jb@cbmtor.UUCP (Jim Butterfield ) writes: > [...] > 2. Everything multiply-selected must be within one drawer or disk. >Tagging something within a new drawer-type structure would drop >previous selections made outside that structure. (Does anyone >really multiply select icons scattered across many drawers/disks?) This is a much better idea than the first one - I routinely delete both programs and their data files in one Discard; the first option would put an end to this. +-------///---------------------------------------------------------\\\-------+ | /// Brett Kessler \\\ | | /// ============= \\\ | | \\\/// E-Mail to: consp11@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu \\\/// | | \XX/ and to: consp11@bingvaxa.BITNET \XX/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) (10/17/89)
In article <138@cbmtor.UUCP> jb@cbmtor.UUCP (Jim Butterfield ) writes: > 2. Everything multiply-selected must be within one drawer or disk. >Tagging something within a new drawer-type structure would drop >previous selections made outside that structure. (Does anyone >really multiply select icons scattered across many drawers/disks?) Hi! I do, routinely. Whenever I'm cleaning up my DL floppies, for example, or whenever I'm moving lots and lots of files around. Really handy option to have. Please don't get rid of it! (Then again, I'm also the guy who hates click-to-front...) - R'ykandar. -- | R'ykandar Korra'ti, Editor, LOW ORBIT | phoenix@ms.uky.edu | CIS 72406,370 | | Elfinkind, Unite! | phoenix@ukma.bitnet | PLink: Skywise | QLink: Bearclaw |
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (10/17/89)
I like it the way it is now. I can avoid problems by making the first selection with the Shift key up. I just want to see Discard fixed so it doesn't return errors when I try to delete a drawer that has files in it. --Fabbian Dufoe 350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South St. Petersburg, Florida 33705 813-823-2350 UUCP: ...uunet!pdn!jc3b21!fgd3
pds@quintus.UUCP (Peter Schachte) (10/20/89)
In article <138@cbmtor.UUCP> jb@cbmtor.UUCP (Jim Butterfield ) writes: > 2. Everything multiply-selected must be within one drawer or disk. How about a simple modification of this: shift-clicking something in a drawer while while the drawer is selected has the effect of de-selecting the drawer. It's a hack, no doubt about it, but it would serve to lessen the danger of deleting or moving a whole drawer when you just meant to delete or move a few files. This has gotten me, too. I can't right now see why you'd want to select a drawer and some of its contents at the same time, anyway. >(Does anyone >really multiply select icons scattered across many drawers/disks?) Occasionally. -- -Peter Schachte pds@quintus.uucp ...!sun!quintus!pds
filbo@gorn.santa-cruz.ca.us (Bela Lubkin) (10/27/89)
In article <1274@quintus.UUCP> pds@quintus.UUCP (Peter Schachte) writes: > I can't right now see why you'd want to select a drawer and some of its > contents at the same time, anyway. Sorry, I do this all the time. I almost always rearrange the icons on a disk I receive so that they will all fit aesthetically within the drawer window. Then I snapshot both the indivual icons and the drawer window. I do this by extended-selecting everything and pulling down "snapshot". BTW this reminds me of "yet another request for 1.4"... A "snapshot entire drawer" or even "snapshot everything" pulldown would be very nice. So would a setting, "snapshot everything I move". The latter would be maddening on floppies, though. Bela Lubkin * * // filbo@gorn.santa-cruz.ca.us CompuServe: 73047,1112 @ * * // ....ucbvax!ucscc!gorn!filbo ^^^-VERY slow [months] R Pentomino * \X/ Filbo @ Pyrzqxgl +408-476-4633 & XBBS +408-476-4945