JAGBDCD%PANAM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu (10/16/89)
I have a question about multisync monitors. Right now I can afford to buy a multisync montior, but I'll have to wait a few months to buy a FlickerFixer. Are there any good multisyncs that can display the standard Amiga RGB analog signal in interlace mode? I heard that quite a few montiors can't display an interlaced picture. I'd like to buy one that can now, then get a Flicker- Fixed later on. I'd really appreciate any help or suggesitons. Thanks. Aaron Gonzalez JAGBDCD@PANAM.BITNET Mission,TX
portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) (10/31/89)
>>>>> On 31 Oct 89 13:16:21 GMT, bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com (System Administrator) said:
bobl> I don't understand why anybody would even consider buying a FlickerFixer board
bobl> for the outragously high price of about $500 just to stop interlace flicker.
bobl> It continually amazes me that people want to do this. Interlace flicker is
bobl> normal and the interlace feature is actually intentional. It is a requirement
bobl> of NTSC video and shouldn't be non-interlace in the first place.
Perhaps these people spend money on flickerFixers and the like because
using interlace modes on an RGB monitor causes eyestrain and headaches.
bobl> In the second place, you can wait a few months when Commodore releases it's
bobl> complete ECS (or at least the Denise) and get the "Productivity Mode" display
bobl> of 640x400 non-interlace and pay alot less than the $500.00 the FlickerFixer
bobl> costs.
Nobody (maybe not even the people at Commodore) know how long "a few
months" is going to be. 1.3 was delayed for several months in quality
assurance testing, and it was a relatively minor update compared to
1.4. I've heard several times that the ECS will appear simultaneously
with 1.4, since it needs new system software support. For some people
spending $500 on something which works now is an acceptable solution.
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portuesi@SGI.COMbobl@pro-graphics.cts.com (System Administrator) (10/31/89)
Network Comment: to #4434 by JAGBDCD%PANAM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu > I have a question about multisync monitors. Right now I can afford to buy > a multisync montior, but I'll have to wait a few months to buy a FlickerFixer. > Are there any good multisyncs that can display the standard Amiga RGB analog > signal in interlace mode? I heard that quite a few montiors can't display > an interlaced picture. I'd like to buy one that can now, then get a Flicker- > Fixed later on. I'd really appreciate any help or suggesitons. Thanks. I don't understand why anybody would even consider buying a FlickerFixer board for the outragously high price of about $500 just to stop interlace flicker. It continually amazes me that people want to do this. Interlace flicker is normal and the interlace feature is actually intentional. It is a requirement of NTSC video and shouldn't be non-interlace in the first place. In the second place, you can wait a few months when Commodore releases it's complete ECS (or at least the Denise) and get the "Productivity Mode" display of 640x400 non-interlace and pay alot less than the $500.00 the FlickerFixer costs. I have a prototype ECS and combined with a MultiSync monitor, the display is rock solid and clear as can be. Don't waste your money on a FlickerFixer. Just wait until the Denise is final and released and you will thank the day you didn't blow that $500.00! -- Bob > Aaron Gonzalez > JAGBDCD@PANAM.BITNET > Mission,TX _________________________ Pro-Graphics 201/469-0049 __________________________ UUCP: {..crash!}pro-graphics!bobl | ProLine: bobl@pro-graphics InterNet: bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com | CServe: 70347,2344 ARPA/DDN: {..crash!}pro-graphics!bobl@nosc.mil | AppleLink: Graphics3D ___________ ____________ Raven Enterprises - 25 Raven Ave. Piscataway, NJ 08854
cogswell@egrunix.UUCP (Dan Cogswell) (11/01/89)
In article <627@crash.cts.com> bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com (System Administrator) writes: >I don't understand why anybody would even consider buying a FlickerFixer board >for the outragously high price of about $500 just to stop interlace flicker. >It continually amazes me that people want to do this. Interlace flicker is >normal and the interlace feature is actually intentional. It is a requirement >of NTSC video and shouldn't be non-interlace in the first place. Oh, come on! So flicker is what *GOD* intended??!!?? I don't understand why people spend all that money on color televisions! After all, it's *NORMAL* for black and white t.v.'s to *BE* black and white! It's a requirement for them and they shouldn't be color in the first place. Get serious. >_________________________ Pro-Graphics 201/469-0049 __________________________ > > UUCP: {..crash!}pro-graphics!bobl | ProLine: bobl@pro-graphics >InterNet: bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com | CServe: 70347,2344 >ARPA/DDN: {..crash!}pro-graphics!bobl@nosc.mil | AppleLink: Graphics3D >___________ ____________ > Raven Enterprises - 25 Raven Ave. Piscataway, NJ 08854 ------------ ------------------------------ Dan Cogswell "Gangster Fun -- It's the beat (313)625-3234 that you can wig-out to..." Internet: cogswell@unix.secs.oakland.edu UUCP: cogswell@egrunix.UUCP
swan@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Joel Swan) (11/01/89)
In article <627@crash.cts.com> bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com (System Administrator) writes:
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:I don't understand why anybody would even consider buying a FlickerFixer board
:for the outragously high price of about $500 just to stop interlace flicker.
:It continually amazes me that people want to do this. Interlace flicker is
:normal and the interlace feature is actually intentional. It is a requirement
:of NTSC video and shouldn't be non-interlace in the first place.
The intention of interlace is for NTSC - that's video, like composite.
I don't know about you, but I do most of my work on an RGB or multisync
monitor, NOT composite. The flicker is a killer on the first two.
Maybe you use a TV set do your wordprocessing on? Yes, it's intentional
for video production, not for normal computer viewing.
:In the second place, you can wait a few months when Commodore releases it's
:complete ECS (or at least the Denise) and get the "Productivity Mode" display
:of 640x400 non-interlace and pay alot less than the $500.00 the FlickerFixer
:costs.
Frist, months have been years. Second, you only get 16 colors. Third, it
will eat lots of CPU time, slowing your computer down.
Flicker Fixer has none of these problems. (lack of Productivity mode is not
a problem, you can still get it with the ECS. Let's see you get the FF
benefits without the FF.)
:I have a prototype ECS and combined with a MultiSync monitor, the display is
:rock solid and clear as can be. Don't waste your money on a FlickerFixer.
:Just wait until the Denise is final and released and you will thank the day
:you didn't blow that $500.00!
Actually the price is down to around $440 US. It most certainly is not
a waste, if your eyes mean anything to you.
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I see by your signature that you work in "graphics." Does this include
video? If so, please realize that the Amiga is very usefull for other things
as well, moreso with the FF.
Joelpselver@ssi3b1.zone1.com (Peter Selverstone) (11/03/89)
In article <627@crash.cts.com> bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com (System Administrator) writes: >Network Comment: to #4434 by JAGBDCD%PANAM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu > >> I have a question about multisync monitors. Right now I can afford to buy [Question omitted. Curiously, the response has little to do with the question] >I don't understand why anybody would even consider buying a FlickerFixer board >for the outragously high price of about $500 just to stop interlace flicker. >It continually amazes me that people want to do this. Interlace flicker is >normal and the interlace feature is actually intentional. It is a requirement >of NTSC video and shouldn't be non-interlace in the first place. > >In the second place, you can wait a few months when Commodore releases it's >complete ECS (or at least the Denise) and get the "Productivity Mode" display >of 640x400 non-interlace and pay alot less than the $500.00 the FlickerFixer >costs. > >I have a prototype ECS and combined with a MultiSync monitor, the display is >rock solid and clear as can be. Don't waste your money on a FlickerFixer. >Just wait until the Denise is final and released and you will thank the day >you didn't blow that $500.00! > >-- Bob > If the poster acquired his prototype Denise and the unreleased software required to make it function through normal developer channels, then he should know better than to make these ill-informed and deceptive statements. Many thousands of Flicker Fixer users prefer a non-interlace display on their Amigas. Commodore has recognised the need for a non-interlace display in many applications and supplies the board in their bundled Desktop Publishing System. In the two years since "non-interlace chips" were first announced most people have become aware of the following facts: 1. Productivity mode will require the one-meg Agnus, the new Denise and version 1.4 of the os. No dates have been announced, but I don't know anyone who expects it to be a "few months". 2. Productivity mode will be limited to 4 colors selected from a palette of 64. 3. Bandwidth limitations will cause significant chip memory contention when the mode is used with 4 colors. The slowdown will be similar to what is currently experienced in 16 color hi-res modes. To obtain performance equivalent to the current 4 color workbench, Productivity mode must be limited to 2 colors. 4. The mode will only be compatible with software which runs on the workbench or which is revised to make use of Productivity mode screens. 5. The enhanced chips will not improve the quality of current modes. Non-interlace modes will operate at 15.75 KHz and will have visible scan lines. 6. Because the display will operate at both 15.75 KHz and 31.5 KHz, single frequency VGA monitors like the Zenith ZCM-1490 flat screen or the Seiko 1430 cannot be used. 7. The sharpness of the display will generally be limited by the bandwidth of the Amiga's digital to analog converters. It will not be able to exploit the capabilities of many high quality monitors. Flicker Fixer has been available for almost two years and I think most people are familiar with its capabilities and reputation, so I'll skip the commercial. If anyone has not had an opportunity to use an Amiga with a Flicker Fixer installed, I urge you to try it. Along with most other third party vendors, I am looking forward to the release of 1.4 and the enhanced Denise. It will provide an intermediate cost solution to the problems with the Amiga display which have limited the Amiga's success in many markets. For some users, Productivity mode will provide an adequate display, but I am confident that Flicker Fixer will continue to be the high-end display system for the Amiga 2000 and 2500. I should mention that I designed the product for MicroWay. -- Peter Selverstone ...{mit-eddie,pyramid,datacube}!mirror!ssi3b1!pselver Spy Pond Systems pselver@ssi3b1.zone1.com Arlington, MA BIX:pselverstone PLINK:pselverst CIS:72527,2652
ms0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Gordon Shapiro) (11/05/89)
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga: 31-Oct-89 Re: Interlace on > Multisync .. System Administrator@pro (1925) > In the second place, you can wait a few months when Commodore releases > it's > complete ECS (or at least the Denise) and get the "Productivity Mode" > display > of 640x400 non-interlace and pay alot less than the $500.00 the > FlickerFixer > costs. Keep in mind that FlickerFixer gives you flicker-free graphics in ANY interlaced mode, be it 640 x 400 w/2 bitplanes (like ECS Productivity Mode) or 640 x 400 w/4 bitplanes, or 340 x 400 HAM!