[comp.sys.amiga] UNIX Expo, 2500UX

kraussW@batman.moravian.EDU ( SysAdm) (11/04/89)

I was at the UNIX Expo in New York City yesterday (11/2) and saw THREE Amiga
2500UX machines.  They were holding their own right along side the big names
in the workstation world at the UNIX International booth.  (Sun, HP, DEC, Etc.)
All machines were running an X-Windows demo.  I asked the person I thought was
demonstrating the Amiga when it would available.  It turned out that the person
was actually demonstrating a 386 Machine next to the 2500UX.  What was 
interesting was that he commented that he was real impressed with it.  (He had
tried it earlier that day.)  He just couln't figure out why the Commodore guy
never hung around to show it to anyone.  So I went to the other 2500UX's where 
there were two Commodore guys.  When asked when it would be released they said,
"Early 1990".  They couldn't comment on the price.  They were not really 
actively showing the machines.  They were running a generic demo that everyone
else was running.  But at least that was running as fast or faster than the 
other machines.  It was nice to see an amiga with a screen as big as my 
SPARCstation.  At any rate we now know for sure that it will be running a
25Mhz 68030.

As for the expo itself, it was a glimpse of things to come.  I was glad I had 
the opportunity to listen to Bill Joy, VP of Sun Microsystems.  He said many
things that confirmed the direction Commodore.  I'll try to summarize some of 
his main points/opinions.

1) The question is no longer "IF UNIX".  UNIX is big enough that virtually
   every company is supporting it, or at least porting it to their machines
   so that they won'r lose their market share.

2) Hardware no longer will be the "Computing Frontier".  32 Bit machines will
   be the standard for the next decade.  He also claims that as a result of the
   merging of SYS-V and SunOS (Berkeley), System V Rel 4 will be the standard
   UNIX OS across all UNIX machines/architectures.  Advances in UNIX will not
   be very many.  The hot spot, or the frontier for computing for the next
   decade will be APPLICATIONS.  Since many UNIX boxes will be running the same
   OS with the same user interface, whether that be motif or open look, the
   applications will be available for ALL machines with very small portability
   problems.  This is what he thinks Open Systems is...  Many architectures,
   many manufactors, one operating system, one application is easily ported
   to all.

3) The age of monochrome is over.  The age of terminals is over.  Workstations
   are in.  The application should run in front of you resulting in all the
   power of the architecture being available for your execution of the
   application.  Color will play a big part in the next decade.

4) The age of proprietary Operating Systems is coming to a close.  He feels 
   that the competition between proprietary OS's (Apple, MS-DOS) and UNIX is 
   good but that eventually UNIX will be the direction the industry will take.

5) Workstation prices will continue to drop as a result of increased technology.

What does this mean for the Amiga and the Amiga user?  (Set the "here comes my 
opinion" flag = true :-)

1) The amiga line, especially the 68020, 68030 based machines meet the 
   definition of workstations and will be well equipt for the coming decade.

2) I believe thatt he UNIIX being released with the 2500UX is System 5 
   Release 4.  What this will do is make the applications available for the 
   other machines running SVR4 available to the Amiga.  (Assuming that 
   either Open Look or Motif are set down as standards.)  This will forever 
   put an end to to the question, "Is there any software for it?"  It will also 
   allow those programmers dedicated to the Amiga to be able to market their 
   products for the entire market, rather than just the Amiga Market.

3) Hopefully Commodore is looking at machines beyond the 680x0 processor 
   family.  It would be real exciting to see CBM release a RISC or SPARC 
   machine.  There are alreay many manufactors who are releasing machines
   based on the Motorola 88000 RISC chip.  I am confident that Commodore can
   do what it's done in the past, release a quality machine for less than the
   competition.

4) (Praises)  The Amiga 2000 design with it's processor slot is a terrific
   design.  The user can buy a machine for the home and has a CLEAR upgrade
   path to a faster machine.   While I have been a Commodore fan since I bought
   my VIC-20 for $250, I haven't had the time to fully explore the Amiga 1000
   that I convinced my father to buy for his business.  I am not familiar 
   with the Amiga 2000 bus so if I am wrong about my next statement, forgive
   my ignorance and send flames directly to me.  I *think* that the current
   bus is only 16 bits wide.  It would be nice to see that bus extended to
   32 bits while maintaining the ability to accept the 16 bit boards.  
   (Hardware GURUS, how about it?  32bits for Memory Boards, other future
   boards but still work with current coprocessors.)
   Furthermore as technology becomes better it would be good if all the chips 
   on board the amiga could work at higher clock speeds.  (It would be nice
   if they would be enhanced to 32 bits but we're talking a MAJOR design
   effort.)

5) We as users need to see the direction that the entire industry is going.
   While AmigaDOS is fine for single user applications, it is not secure
   or rubust enough to be able to support multiuser applications.  The
   machines are getting to the point where they are incredibly powerful.  We
   need to be able to share that power.  Again I don't claim to be an expert
   on AmigaDOS but it would take a major rewrite of the OS to add multiuser
   or distributed processing support to the current operating system.
   So rather than trying to add these features to a proprietary OS, provide
   an easy upgrade path to SVR4.  Perhaps by distinguishing the differences
   and advantages between AmigaDOS and UNIX we can realize that both are
   needed to support the different uses of the hardware.  AmigaDOS for the
   single user, for the beginner, for the low cost computing requirements.
   UNIX for the multi user, networked, higher cost computing requirements.
   I certainly do not mean to put AmigaDOS down, it is a powerful OS in it's
   own right, but serves a different purpose that UNIX.

Well, I've rambled long enough.  My intention is NOT to start a war of words
but to encourage discussion on these views/ideas.  I don't claim to be an 
Amiga expert or a good speller, my strength lies in UNIX administration.
I do think that unlike other companies, Commodore does respect the needs/
opinions of its users so we in effect can hammer out some of the things we
would like to see in the future.

					Press On,
						Bill Krauss

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peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (11/06/89)

In article <574@batman.moravian.EDU> kraussW@batman.moravian.EDU ( SysAdm) writes:
> 3) The age of monochrome is over.
>    Color will play a big part in the next decade.

I doubt this very much. For any given technology level and price you can
get higher resolution, higher speed, and a larger screen in monochrome than
in color. Until we reach the point that a cheap color screen can exceed any
human perceptual dimension (time, space, visual field) monochrome will be a
viable option.
-- 
Peter "Have you hugged your wolf today" da Silva      `-_-'
...texbell!sugar!peter, or peter@sugar.hackercorp.com  'U`
``Back off dude! I'm a topologist!''
	-- Andrew Molitor <amolitor@eagle.wesleyan.edu>