Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com (10/31/89)
Well, I'm always keeping my eye on developments on all the micros, and
judging by the rates of change and introduction of color on systems like the
Mac, and also due to the Apple copyright issues which are shaking out in
court, I have a couple of observations:
1. It appears that Apple's 'ownership' of the Trash icon may be
upheld. Does this mean Commodore is in danger of a lawsuit?
Users can easily change the trash icon to/from anything they
choose, but the format option attaches an icon automatically
and may constitute an infringement. What Commodore doesn't
need is a lawsuit.
2. If the Amiga doesn't soon go to an 8 or 16-color interlace
Workbench screen with more attractive windows and gadgets, the
machine we all love will be left in the dust. Competitors don't
stand still. They'll look at the Mac and the Amiga (since the
intuitive windowing interface doesn NOT seem to be holding up
as Apple's 'property') and BUILD on what they see, not just
copy it.
- J. Petersenms0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Gordon Shapiro) (11/05/89)
You know, I always thought we could do without the trashcan icon. In fact, the entire trashcan concept can go.... it's one of the few remainders of the days when one copied EVERYTHING from the Muckintosh desktop, regardless of functionality. How many people actually USE the trash, rather than the discard option? I say, dump the trash into itself and empty it (physically impossible,but a nice metaphor).
ralph@atrp.mit.edu (Ralph L. Vinciguerra) (11/06/89)
Hey! I use the Trashcan! I like the idea of using excess storage for backup purposes. I personally have "erased" stuff by mistake and then been able to recover it from the trashcan. I have a real "paper" trashcan in my office, and I use that too, to sometimes recover a document (if I haven't dumped an old tea-bag on it :-) ). The real suprise for me was the Mac trashcan. After using the Amiga's one (which keeps stuff till you empty it), the Mac trashed my stuff every time I exited the current application. This was un-intuitive. I ended up making a folder called "trash", which I used just like my Amiga trash. Let me empty my trash! I even do windows :-).
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (11/06/89)
From article <QZIphWq00WE780i1ks@andrew.cmu.edu>, by ms0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Gordon Shapiro):
> You know, I always thought we could do without the trashcan icon.
I agree. Locating the trashcan icon on the disk makes it work very
differently from the Macintosh trashcan. The Macintosh trashcan resides on
the desktop and thus is much closer to our discard item than to the
Amiga's trashcan. The only advantage to the trashcan is the opportunity
it gives to retrieve things before they are finally deleted. But if you're
trying to get more disk space you have to empty the trashcan to get it. At
that point you can't retrieve it. Let's let the trashcan go and get the
discard item working right.
--Fabbian Dufoe
350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South
St. Petersburg, Florida 33705
813-823-2350
UUCP: ...uunet!pdn!jc3b21!fgd3esker@abaa.uucp (Lawrence Esker) (11/07/89)
In article <963@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> ralph@atrp.mit.edu (Ralph L. Vinciguerra) writes: >Hey! I use the Trashcan! Same here. I always removed the trashcan from my floppies, because if I no longer wanted the file I did want the disk space recovered. Now with a harddisk, the situation's changes. I use trashcan for everything. I even created a CLI alias called 'trash' that does the same thing. Only when the disk gets near full do I empty the trash. Of coarse the backup program is set up to ignore trashed files. -- ---------- Lawrence W. Esker ---------- Modern Amish: Thou shalt not need any computer that is not IBM compatible. UseNet Path: __!mailrus!sharkey!itivax!abaa!esker == esker@abaa.UUCP
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (11/09/89)
From article <963@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU>, by ralph@atrp.mit.edu (Ralph L. Vinciguerra): > Hey! I use the Trashcan! > > The real suprise for me was the Mac trashcan. After using the Amiga's one > (which keeps stuff till you empty it), the Mac trashed my stuff every > time I exited the current application. This was un-intuitive. I ended > up making a folder called "trash", which I used just like my Amiga trash. > Let me empty my trash! I even do windows :-). One of the many neat things about the Amiga is you can create your own Trashcan even if it is officially eliminated. Make a copy of your "Empty" directory on your boot disk. Rename it "Trash". Edit the icon to look like a trashcan. There you go! Drag "Trash" to any disk on which you want a trashcan directory. Of course you can't empty the "Trash" directory with the Workbench menu. And the "Discard" option won't do just what you want either. It will delete the "Trash" directory as well as its contents. A nice fix for both problems would be (1) Eliminate the "Trashcan" directory. It shouldn't be anything special. (2) Eliminate the "Empty trash" menu item. (3) Add two subitems to the "Discard" menu: "Object" and "Contents" Selecting "Object" would eliminate the selected object(s) just as the discard option does now. Selecting "Contents" would eliminate anything stored in the directory but would leave the directory intact. Then you'd be able to clear any directory, not just the Trashcan. What do you think? --Fabbian Dufoe 350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South St. Petersburg, Florida 33705 813-823-2350 UUCP: ...uunet!pdn!jc3b21!fgd3
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (11/10/89)
Bill Davis pointed out an easier way to preserve the "Trash" directory
while deleting its contents. Just reset the "deletable" protection bit
(using either the "Protect" command or the Workbench "Info" option). Then
when you try to discard the "Trash" directory the contents are deleted but
the directory and its icon are not.
The only drawback to this approach is you have to remember to change
the protection bits any time you use Workbench to copy the "Trash"
directory to another disk.
So, you can simulate the behavior of the trashcan very closely with
existing software--which makes the trashcan pretty much redundant.
--Fabbian Dufoe
350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South
St. Petersburg, Florida 33705
813-823-2350
UUCP: ...uunet!pdn!jc3b21!fgd3