jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) (11/29/89)
In article <128510@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>, cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: > In article <4120@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jtreworgy@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: > > Maybe no one thinks there would be any interest, but from what I have > > heard the music software for the ST is far superior to likewise existing > > on the Amiga (of course you'd need to wire up a MIDI interface). > > This is also incorrect, to the extent that Notator(sp?) exists for the ST and > there is no comparable system for the Amiga, the availability of sequencers > is nearly identical (with the exception that you can't get Music-X for an > ST). That is because it is generally only worth writing something to sell > into _both_ markets, at least that way it is almost the size of the Mac > market. You're obviously very misled since there is a lot of MIDI software on the ST that is not available on the Amiga. Realtime from Intelligent Music and The Steinberg-Jones 24track Sequencer are two big ones I can think of. There are very few MIDI applications on the Amiga, come to think of it. Serious ones, in any case (Sonix is NOT serious)... -- Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave
jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) (11/30/89)
In article <419500013@I5000.Prime.COM>, GARYM@I5000.Prime.COM writes: > Don't be foolish, the Amiga MIDI library is pretty extensive. > > Just to name a few "serious" ones... > > > 1. Texture > 2. KCS - Keyboard controlled Studio > 3. MRS - MIDI Recording Studio > 4. Soundscape Pro MIDI Studio > > That's 4 pretty sharp looking MIDI packages, Im sure there are alot > more on the market given that I can name 4 off the top of my head! I'm not being foolish. The four programs you mention, plus Music-X from Micro Illusions are the only big MIDI packages available on the Amiga. Oh... and M from Intelligent Music. That's a very very small amount compared to the Mac MIDI library or the Atari ST MIDI library. Or even the IBM MIDI library for that matter. I'm not knocking the Amy... I love my A500. I'm an ex-ST owner (3 years of hell :) and an electronic musician. I'm pretty dissappointed with the amount and quality of music software on the Amy. -- Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) (12/01/89)
>In article <419500013@I5000.Prime.COM>, GARYM@I5000.Prime.COM writes: >> 1. Texture >> 2. KCS - Keyboard controlled Studio >> 3. MRS - MIDI Recording Studio >> 4. Soundscape Pro MIDI Studio In article <2209@leah.Albany.Edu> jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) writes: >I'm not being foolish. The four programs you mention, plus Music-X from >Micro Illusions are the only big MIDI packages available on the Amiga. >Oh... and M from Intelligent Music. ...and Master Tracks Pro from Passport, and MIDI Magic from Circum Design, Inc., and Music Mouse from Opcode, and Dynamic Studio from New Wave. Plus a host of patch librarians and editors. Also, Dr. T and Passport intend to have Amiga version of all of their programs. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett - Systems Administrator, Computer Science Department | | The Johns Hopkins University, 34th and Charles Sts., Baltimore, MD 21218 | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | BITNET: barrett@jhuvms.bitnet | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////////
jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) (12/01/89)
In article <3457@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: > ...and Master Tracks Pro from Passport, and MIDI Magic from Circum > Design, Inc., and Music Mouse from Opcode, and Dynamic Studio from New > Wave. Plus a host of patch librarians and editors. Also, Dr. T and > Passport intend to have Amiga version of all of their programs. Master Tracks Pro stinks, MIDI magic I haven't heard of, Music Mouse is practically just an accessory, Dynamic Studio is a joke too... I'm talking about quality software. Once again, I'm not knocking the Amiga. I love it. But it could use more MIDI support. -- Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave
georgeh@cognos.UUCP (George Hagilaris) (12/03/89)
In article <419500013@I5000.Prime.COM> GARYM@I5000.Prime.COM writes: > >Don't be foolish, the Amiga MIDI library is pretty extensive. > >Just to name a few "serious" ones... > > >1. Texture >2. KCS - Keyboard controlled Studio >3. MRS - MIDI Recording Studio >4. Soundscape Pro MIDI Studio > >That's 4 pretty sharp looking MIDI packages, Im sure there are alot >more on the market given that I can name 4 off the top of my head! Hmmm. So far, KCS is the only really "serious" MIDI sequencer I've seen for the Amiga. I've heard some good things about MusicX, so I guess that would be another one. I've tried out Soundscape, and wasn't very impressed with it at all. The version I tried out was 1.4, so maybe they've improved it since then. If MRS is the one I think it is (I saw it once in a computer store, so I'm not sure if this is the one), I wasn't all that impressed with it either. I've never seen Texture, so I can't comment on it. I hate to admit it, but I don't think the Amiga's library of serious MIDI software is very extensive (yet!). If someone can prove me wrong, please do it! :-) -- _ _ _ _ _ George Hagilaris / / \ / _ |\ | / \ |_ UUCP: uunet!mitel!sce!cognos!georgeh \_ \_/ \_| | \| \_/ _| INC.
swan@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Joel Swan) (12/04/89)
In article <2211@leah.Albany.Edu> jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) writes: :In article <3457@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: :> ...and Master Tracks Pro from Passport, and MIDI Magic from Circum :> Design, Inc., and Music Mouse from Opcode, and Dynamic Studio from New :> Wave. Plus a host of patch librarians and editors. Also, Dr. T and :> Passport intend to have Amiga version of all of their programs. : :Master Tracks Pro stinks, MIDI magic I haven't heard of, Music Mouse is :practically just an accessory, Dynamic Studio is a joke too... I'm :talking about quality software. : :Once again, I'm not knocking the Amiga. I love it. But it could use more :MIDI support. :-- :Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't :Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a :Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave Unfortunately, (coming from a professional studio environment) I would tend to agree with Jules. Until you've used something like Notator on the ST, you've not really experienced form and function in MIDI software. C-LAB (the creators of Notator) have done things on the ST that no MIDI software writers have done yet on the Amiga. They really pushed that cheap box to the limits, and then some. Rather than just flinging names about, I suggest everyone interested in midi take Notator for a spin and then get on Amiga developer's cases about not pushing the Amiga to it's limits. We need better written software and not just blind reliance on the Amiga's special hardware features. Joel Swan
jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) (12/04/89)
I just want to point out that I think Music-X is one of the best sequencers I've worked with. It makes me very happy that the Amy has such quality MIDI software. However, the list of ST MIDI software is much much bigger (I'll dig out my computers issue of Electronic Musician if you insist) than most of the people who responded to my posts claim. I really don't care. I want more MIDI support for the Amy. Period. I'm not saying one system is better than another. Check this out: From: cmcmanis@sparky.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) > You could at least do me the favor of reading what I wrote before popping > off some half baked message. I wasn't attacking your precious ST and > frankly I don't give a damn which system you own or support. However, Chuck, I stopped reading your message here... -- Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave
me300234@pa.usl.edu (Stelly John B III) (12/05/89)
In article <2205@leah.Albany.Edu> jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) writes: > >You're obviously very misled since there is a lot of MIDI software on >the ST that is not available on the Amiga. Realtime from Intelligent >Music and The Steinberg-Jones 24track Sequencer are two big ones I can >think of. There are very few MIDI applications on the Amiga, come to >think of it. Serious ones, in any case (Sonix is NOT serious)... > >-- >Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't >Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a >Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave Just to name a few serious ones... Music-X (MicroIllusions) Synthia Professional (The other Guys), Dr. T's KCS level II,III M Intelligent Music, Passport Master Tracks All of these are excellent and some (like Synthia pro) offer things that aren't available on Atari's. --John Stelly
kudla@pawl.rpi.edu (Robert J. Kudla) (12/05/89)
You're obviously very misled since there is a lot of MIDI software on the ST that is not available on the Amiga. Realtime from Intelligent Music and The Steinberg-Jones 24track Sequencer are two big ones I can think of. There are very few MIDI applications on the Amiga, come to think of it. Serious ones, in any case (Sonix is NOT serious)... Yeah, yeah, and there are plenty of MIDI programs on the Amiga that you can't get on the ST (I won't even talk about the Mac's plethora of software right now). Look. I know a fellow right here in Troy who's been doing work on porting RealTime. Since I don't have a MIDI interface right now, I haven't paid much attention but I'm under the impression that it's either out or will be RSN. But regardless of that one software package's availability.... nearly every commercial MIDI program that I've seen that's available for more than one variety of computer is available for the Amiga as well as the ST and Mac. In fact, there's at least as much commercial MIDI stuff out there for the Ami as there is for the Pee Cee, if not more. PD stuff, I dunno about. Haven't looked yet. I know there's a DX patch librarian out there, and that's what I'm interested in.... -- Robert Jude Kudla <kudla@pawl.rpi.edu> Albums I would rather listen to than Pink Floyd's "The Wall": Madonna, "Like a Virgin"; Tiffany, "Tiffany"; George Michael, "Faith"; The Partridge Family Sings; Eno and Fripp "Evening Star"; any Debbie Gibson album, the list goes on and on....
jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) (12/06/89)
In article <+K_|C%@rpi.edu>, kudla@pawl.rpi.edu (Robert J. Kudla) writes: > Yeah, yeah, and there are plenty of MIDI programs on the Amiga that > you can't get on the ST (I won't even talk about the Mac's plethora of > software right now). Look. I know a fellow right here in Troy who's > been doing work on porting RealTime. Since I don't have a MIDI > interface right now, I haven't paid much attention but I'm under the > impression that it's either out or will be RSN. But regardless of that > one software package's availability.... nearly every commercial MIDI > program that I've seen that's available for more than one variety of > computer is available for the Amiga as well as the ST and Mac. In > fact, there's at least as much commercial MIDI stuff out there for the > Ami as there is for the Pee Cee, if not more. Just give me a break. All I want is just to see more MIDI Amiga software. There isn't enough of it. I know, because I use it every day. Please, I don't want to hear any more. I want to generate interest in more MIDI software and you and that Chuck dude just keep getting on my case. If you really want, I'll post the list of ST MIDI software from Electronic Musician (It's really, really long) and you can sit there and try to prove to me that the Amiga has a comparable amount. -- Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave
GARYM%i5000.prime.com@cunyvm.cuny.edu (12/06/89)
Don't be foolish, the Amiga MIDI library is pretty extensive. Just to name a few "serious" ones... 1. Texture 2. KCS - Keyboard controlled Studio 3. MRS - MIDI Recording Studio 4. Soundscape Pro MIDI Studio That's 4 pretty sharp looking MIDI packages, Im sure there are alot more on the market given that I can name 4 off the top of my head! +---------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------+ |Gary MacDougall | | The opinions expressed here are in no way connected | |Prime Computer Inc. | | with my employer, unless of course the're good | |Oracle Development | | enough get me a healthy raise... | |Framingham, Ma 01701 | | | +---------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------+
jac423%leah.albany.edu@cunyvm.cuny.edu (12/06/89)
In article <419500013@I5000.Prime.COM>, GARYM@I5000.Prime.COM writes: > Don't be foolish, the Amiga MIDI library is pretty extensive. > > Just to name a few "serious" ones... > > > 1. Texture > 2. KCS - Keyboard controlled Studio > 3. MRS - MIDI Recording Studio > 4. Soundscape Pro MIDI Studio > > That's 4 pretty sharp looking MIDI packages, Im sure there are alot > more on the market given that I can name 4 off the top of my head! I'm not being foolish. The four programs you mention, plus Music-X from Micro Illusions are the only big MIDI packages available on the Amiga. Oh... and M from Intelligent Music. That's a very very small amount compared to the Mac MIDI library or the Atari ST MIDI library. Or even the IBM MIDI library for that matter. I'm not knocking the Amy... I love my A500. I'm an ex-ST owner (3 years of hell :) and an electronic musician. I'm pretty dissappointed with the amount and quality of music software on the Amy. -- Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave
stevem@sauron.Columbia.NCR.COM (Steve McClure) (12/07/89)
In article <2240@leah.Albany.Edu> jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) writes: >In article <+K_|C%@rpi.edu>, kudla@pawl.rpi.edu (Robert J. Kudla) writes: [ how much MIDI stuff is available for platforms deleted ] > >Just give me a break. All I want is just to see more MIDI Amiga >software. There isn't enough of it. I know, because I use it every day. >Please, I don't want to hear any more. I want to generate interest in >more MIDI software and you and that Chuck dude just keep getting on my >case. If you really want, I'll post the list of ST MIDI software from >Electronic Musician (It's really, really long) and you can sit there and >try to prove to me that the Amiga has a comparable amount. Does it really matter how much MIDI software there is? Shouldn't the quality and abilities of the available software be the important factor here. This argument does just apply to MIDI software but all software. How many C compilers do you need? The two for the amiga seem to be as good as the multitudes on other platforms. Steve ----- stevem@Columbia.NCR.COM The above are my opinions, which NCR doesn't really care about anyway! CAUSER's Amiga BBS! | 803-796-3127 | 8pm-8am 8n1 | 300/1200/2400
pete@i-core.UUCP (Pete Ashdown) (12/13/89)
The music software really does suck on the Amiga. I have been dismayed that nothing has come out since Sonix 2.0 and Deluxe Music that allows you to really CRANK your sound chips. If we could have a program with the functionality of Sonix 2.0 and the power of Deluxe Music that uses a STANDARD DOCUMENTED FORMAT, then, THEN, we would would have a decent music program. Also, the Mac can do six or eight voices with some slick programming in Studio Session, why can't the Amiga do 24 or 32? Has anyone even bothered to try this? (whatever it is)
dan@shumv1.uucp (Daniel Heath) (12/13/89)
>I hate to admit it, but I don't think the Amiga's library of serious MIDI >software is very extensive (yet!). > >If someone can prove me wrong, please do it! :-) >-- > _ _ _ _ _ >George Hagilaris / / \ / _ |\ | / \ |_ >UUCP: uunet!mitel!sce!cognos!georgeh \_ \_/ \_| | \| \_/ _| INC. Okay, The Amiga now has: 1. Dr. T's KCS 2. Dr. T's KCS Level II 3. Music-X 4. Master Tracks Pro 5. About 10 million ed/lib 6. Other nice utilities (such as Dr. T's TIGER, a graphic MIDI editor) I think this is enough software to consider the Amiga as a serious MIDI computer. Dan Heath dan@shumv1.ncsu.edu
jon@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Jonathan R Deutsch) (12/14/89)
Dan Heath <dan@shumv1.ncsu.edu> writes: >Okay, The Amiga now has: > > 1. Dr. T's KCS > 2. Dr. T's KCS Level II > 3. Music-X > 4. Master Tracks Pro > 5. About 10 million ed/lib > 6. Other nice utilities (such as Dr. T's TIGER, a graphic MIDI editor) > >I think this is enough software to consider the Amiga as a serious MIDI >computer. > Thanx Dan! But, you forgot to include: 7. Dynamic Studio (w/BUILT-IN Graphic editing - VERY convenient!) 8. M (not a sequencer, but a very powerful MIDI utility) 9. And I heard that Texture was out- though I haven't seen it yet. A couple of months ago, I talked to a rep. from Dr. T's - He says that Amiga sales are doing very well hence their decision to release their entire line of products for it! Obviously SOMEONE thinks the AMIGA can handle it. Overall, I think the ST is probably the better computer for MIDI applications due to the fact that it is so highly supported. BUT, that does NOT mean that I'd buy an ST. I believe a good computer has a well-rounded scope of software -the Amiga has this quality. So, whereas the Amiga has less MIDI software, it has much more of everything else, so, I bought an Amiga and, for MIDI purposes, it is absolutely fine. -Jon Deutsch INTERNET <jon@vax1.acs.udel.edu> BITNET <HUJ10517@UDACSVM.BITNET>
jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) (12/15/89)
In article <1989Dec13.070509.2924@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu>, dan@shumv1.uucp (Daniel Heath) writes: > Okay, The Amiga now has: > > 1. Dr. T's KCS > 2. Dr. T's KCS Level II Both have very poor interfaces. > 3. Music-X This program is excellent. > 4. Master Tracks Pro Rediculously primitive. > 5. About 10 million ed/lib 2 or 3 of which are any good. > 6. Other nice utilities (such as Dr. T's TIGER, a graphic MIDI editor) Don't forget M. > I think this is enough software to consider the Amiga as a serious MIDI > computer. No it's not! The Amiga *IS* a serious MIDI computer, but I want more software! How can you be satisfied with the above? -- Fight | // Julius A. Cisek jac423,jules |Don't Like a| \X/ ->crunch<- SUNYA, NY USA @leah.albany.edu | Be a Brave | IB...M I do think it's good... |Slave
kim@watnow.waterloo.edu (T. Kim Nguyen) (12/18/89)
I spoke to a (knowledgeable) MIDI composer/salesman yesterday and he
told me that Steinberg Pro 24 is coming out for the Amiga. A friend
who now uses Atari's Creator/Notator WAS using Pro 24 (also on the
Atari) before, and says that for some things Pro 24 is better than
Creator/Notator. All in all, Pro 24 is more than good (he says) (and
I believe him -- I think he used it for his live (2-hr) Metropolis
soundtrack performance (his own stuff)).
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