[comp.sys.amiga] "Standard SCSI"

jones@eglin.af.mil (Calvin Jones, III) (01/16/90)

Jukka Lindgren <toweri@clinet.fi> writes:

> Is anyone out there able to tell, how "standard" the "standard"
> SCSI-drives are?

> In my work, I am seeing a lot of >300Mb SCSI-drives, and sometimes I
> have wondered, if it would be possible to connect them to my Amiga.  
> I have GVP 42Mb drive with GVP controller.  It has an external connector
> (25 pins) and it draws its power from Amigas own power supply.  Is the
> external connctor ONLY for Amiga-SCSI-drives, or is it universal?
> (More or less, at least...)

I needed a big drive to use on a BBS, and called Hard Drives 
International (see any issue of Computer Shopper) with about the same 
question you seem to be asking.  I talked to someone in the tech 
department and he said that he could see no reason why it wouldn't work, 
and since they offer a "no questions asked" 30 day money-back guarantee, 
I'd only be risking shipping charges to find out. I decided to risk it, 
and ordered a Miniscribe 9380 drive in a MAC external case with power 
supply, fan, etc.
 
The drive arrived, preformatted, and I was able to just plug it in and 
run with it.  I've been using it on my BBS since last march with NO 
PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.  My configuration is an Amiga 1000, WB1.3, C-Ltd 
SCSIdos 3.0 (non-Kronos controller), 2.5 Meg Memory (RAM-BOard), USR 
Courier HST modem, and an A1010 external floppy.
 
Your mileage, of course, may vary.    8-)
 
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lupe@alanya.Sun.COM (Lupe Christoph Sun Germany Consulting) (01/17/90)

jones@eglin.af.mil (Calvin Jones, III) writes:

>Jukka Lindgren <toweri@clinet.fi> writes:

>> Is anyone out there able to tell, how "standard" the "standard"
>> SCSI-drives are?

>> In my work, I am seeing a lot of >300Mb SCSI-drives, and sometimes I
>> have wondered, if it would be possible to connect them to my Amiga.  
>> I have GVP 42Mb drive with GVP controller.  It has an external connector
>> (25 pins) and it draws its power from Amigas own power supply.  Is the
>> external connctor ONLY for Amiga-SCSI-drives, or is it universal?
>> (More or less, at least...)

I believe the external connector is MAC compatible. Anyway, there is
the pinout in the manual. I just did a cable for my GVP. Haven't tested
it yet, since I don't have the 2x25 connectors for the drive and the
box yet. (Fry's in Silicon Valley sells IBM-look boxes for two half-height
drives. I haven't checked if a full-height drive mounts OK. They have a
universal PS for 110/220V. All for $90. Not too bad).

If you want to use TERMPWR on the external connector to power your drive,
please don't. It's meant to supply power for the terminators only.
Your drive will need +12V anyway.

Some experience with OEMs connecting assorted drives to Sun Workstations
shows that the only problems can come from the Mode Select command of
the drive (rare) and the bad block information. The Sun format program
can only do one of the three possible formats.

A bad thing about the GVP controller is that the software that comes
with it is virtually undocumented. Fortunately I have not needed anything
yet, so I can't tell about support by their German distributor (DTM)
or GVP themselves.


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rps2@amoeba2.UUCP (Rick Stevens) (01/21/90)

In message <8267@nigel.udel.EDU>, jones@eglin.af.mil (Calvin Jones, III) writes:

>>Jukka Lindgren <toweri@clinet.fi> writes:

>> Is anyone out there able to tell, how "standard" the "standard"
>> SCSI-drives are?
>>
>> In my work, I am seeing a lot of >300Mb SCSI-drives, and sometimes I
>> have wondered, if it would be possible to connect them to my Amiga.  
>> I have GVP 42Mb drive with GVP controller.  It has an external connector
>> (25 pins) and it draws its power from Amigas own power supply.  Is the
>> external connctor ONLY for Amiga-SCSI-drives, or is it universal?
>> (More or less, at least...)

Actually, there is an "official" document on SCSI.  It's available from
ANSI and is called "ANSI Document on SCSI, X3.131".  There are several
conformance levels to SCSI, although they are somewhat arbitrary.  The
first and most common one is "SCSI Common Command Set", which sort of
defines what a SCSI device must minimally support in the way of commands and
status to be considered a SCSI-compatible device.

I don't have a copy of this document, but I am getting one. You might
wish to, too.

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