[comp.sys.amiga] External drives destroyed...

dg49+@andrew.cmu.edu (David A. Gillespie) (01/19/90)

I am having a LOT of problems with external drives.  After getting one
around Christmas, I found out that it would give me read/write errors on
brand new disks.  So I took it back and got another one.  I went to
attach this one, and had the hardest time because when I would turn on
the machine, the CAPS LOCK light would start flashing, and the keyboard
would be dead.  Finally, after getting it to work again, I soon
discovered I had the same problem, with an additional twist:  after
reading the disk for awhile, it would suddenly come up with "YOU MUST
replace volume ... in drive 1!!!!!!" or whatever that says.  So I took
that one back, too.  Now I'm on my third drive and last night I had the
same problem again, but this time I made sure I know how it happened.

It seems that after formatting a disk on that drive (though I don't know
if that's significant) and filling it with information, it's fine.  The
problem shows up when  I delete a file and then try to put something
else back on it.  Then it gives me the "Read/write error on volume ...".

Each time I brought back the drive, the dealer found the same problem on
his machine.  But before I took this third drive, he ran it all day on
his system to make sure that there was nothing wrong, yet it has the
same problem.  At this point, he's blaming my machine.  

Could my Amiga 500 be causing this problem?  If it is, how much is it
going to cost me to have it fixed?  Just as an aside, before I started
using the external drive my printer worked fine, but now, the printhead
is about shot.  It's a thermal printer, and most of the pins aren't
working.  Could this be related?

By the way (almost forgot), it's an "AIR drive", and the dealer says
that they have only had four bad drives within the past sixth months,
and I've had two of them.  They also say that there was once a bunch of
drives in a series that were all bad because they were missing a
component, but that other people who have bought "AIR" drives have had
no problems.  

Any help would be much appreciated, as I don't want to fix something
that's not broken. 

Thanks in advance,
Dave

phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) (01/19/90)

In article <QZhaYpK00V41M6kUhD@andrew.cmu.edu> dg49+@andrew.cmu.edu (David A. Gillespie) writes:
>Could my Amiga 500 be causing this problem?  If it is, how much is it
>going to cost me to have it fixed?
     It's not the A500. Read on.
>By the way (almost forgot), it's an "AIR drive", and the dealer says
                                      ^^^ ^^^^^ (this is the problem)
>that they have only had four bad drives within the past sixth months,
>and I've had two of them.  They also say that there was once a bunch of
>drives in a series that were all bad because they were missing a
>component, but that other people who have bought "AIR" drives have had
>no problems.  
>Dave
     I also have the extreme misfortune of owning an Megatronics AIR drive;
I posed about my many many problems with both the drives and the company on
this system. To summarize:
     1) AIR drives do NOT, repeat do NOT work reliably on A500 systems of
any type. I telephoned them about this; the conversation went roughly along
these lines; AIR> You have an A500, don't you? ME> Yes... AIR> Well, that's
the problem. ME> You mean that the drive doesn't work right on the A500?
AIR> Yeah, you shouldn't have bought the 500. ME> You are advertising this
drive as being compatible with all Amiga systems. This is called fraud.
About this time they agreed to let me send the drive in for evaluation (they
said there was nothing wrong once it got there, but sent me a new one
anyway. Twice. This would be good, except that it took mentioning the word
"mail fraud" to get them moving...)
     In all fairness, I did eventually contact ONE person at AIR who
could be civil on the telephone. Only one.
     I tried each of the three drives I got on multiple Amiga systems.
NONE have worked right. The most recent will write correctly MOST of the
time - the first two could not filecopy a the workbench disk without
generating write errors. It also has the "disk popped out" delusions you
describe. However, after fighting them for some many weeks, I decided that
this was functional enough.
     2) AIR/Megatronics knows about this problem and chooses to ignore it.
I cannot more strongly urge against dealing with this company in any form
shape or fashion. Their disregard for proper hardware - and in a couple
of calls, stunningly insulting attitude - indicates an astounding degree
of incompetence at their company. They blamed the problem on the A500 each
time; either the CIA chip (checked out fine), the power supply (checked
out fine; also am now using a Phoenix replacement unit, which did not
fix the problem), and the motherboard (Why? I think it's called "grasping
for straws") design.
     3) Your Amiga is, in all probability, fine. I tried a different
company's external drive when I was trying to get the AIR units working;
it worked perfectly, passing all the tests I could throw at it. Power
down, go back to the AIR drive, massive failures.
     4) Get your money back if you can. Buy another company's external
drive. I used a friend's California Access as a test unit; it seemed to
work alright. My internal Commodore drive works great; maybe the Commodore
external unit works as well - if it does, it'll be a nice, solid, unit.
     Anyway. Good luck - dealing with these guys, you'll need it.
                                                     - R'ykandar.
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marco@hprnd.HP.COM (Marco Gonzalez) (01/23/90)

	You write:
>I am having a LOT of problems with external drives.  After getting one

 I have had a PHOENIX external drive for my Amiga500 for almost 2 years
with NO problems whatsoever. I have had to fix my INTERNAL drive twice
in this time!.
 Regarding your problem, if your printer is not working anymore, it could be
an 8520 CIA chip, because some functions of the floppy (external) are handled
by one of the two 8520s and by a custom chip (Paula, I think).

	Hope this helps.
		Marco Gonzalez

Disclaimer: My opinions in no way reflect those of my employer.
	I have nothing to do with PHOENIX manufacturer, I'm just a satisfied
	customer!.